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God is above conventional reason
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Re: RE: God is above conventional reason
February 17, 2013 at 3:35 pm
(February 17, 2013 at 2:02 pm)Zone Wrote: You would have to believe in the supernatural before any religion even becomes viable.
I disagree here. Belief in God doesn't come from any foreknowledge. Theists have no information not also available to you.
I'm anti superstitious, for example, and I find my faith strengthens that.
As an atheist I didn't rule out the supernatural. But again, I am more strongly convicted that the supernatural possibilities of personal experiences were mere coincidence given my belief in God.
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RE: God is above conventional reason
February 17, 2013 at 3:44 pm
People from all religions report "personal experiences" that they interpret as somehow "supernatural" or "divine." That, to me, points toward a naturalistic social psychological phenomenon rather than a god or some supernatural agency.
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RE: God is above conventional reason
February 17, 2013 at 3:52 pm
(February 17, 2013 at 3:35 pm)fr0d0 Wrote:
(February 17, 2013 at 2:02 pm)Zone Wrote: You would have to believe in the supernatural before any religion even becomes viable.
I disagree here. Belief in God doesn't come from any foreknowledge. Theists have no information not also available to you.
I'm anti superstitious, for example, and I find my faith strengthens that.
As an atheist I didn't rule out the supernatural. But again, I am more strongly convicted that the supernatural possibilities of personal experiences were mere coincidence given my belief in God.

As a christian its obvious you would have to believe in the supernatural, if you believe in the bible that is, god turns sticks into snakes, makes virgins pregnant and so on, those things are outside the laws of nature as we know it.


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RE: God is above conventional reason
February 17, 2013 at 4:43 pm
(February 17, 2013 at 3:52 pm)paulpablo Wrote:
(February 17, 2013 at 3:35 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: I disagree here. Belief in God doesn't come from any foreknowledge. Theists have no information not also available to you.
I'm anti superstitious, for example, and I find my faith strengthens that.
As an atheist I didn't rule out the supernatural. But again, I am more strongly convicted that the supernatural possibilities of personal experiences were mere coincidence given my belief in God.

As a christian its obvious you would have to believe in the supernatural, if you believe in the bible that is, god turns sticks into snakes, makes virgins pregnant and so on, those things are outside the laws of nature as we know it.

Not all Christians accept those myths as fact. Evangelicals and fundamentalists do, but more liberal believers see them as simply myths meant to teach moral or "spiritual" lessons.
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RE: God is above conventional reason
February 17, 2013 at 4:52 pm (This post was last modified: February 17, 2013 at 4:55 pm by Angrboda.)



Somehow, I don't equate believing in a disembodied spirit whom you must appease with rituals and assurances of its existence, lest bad things happen, as being "anti-superstitious".


I'm guessing fr0d0 has his own private dictionary, one where all the words are defined in non-standard ways and that only make sense if one confines oneself to that dictionary alone.

Listening to him talk is like that Monty Python skit where the tourist, scrutinizing a bilingual dictionary, asks to have his buttocks fondled, to which the British gent replies, "Oh, down one block, and on the left."
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Re: RE: God is above conventional reason
February 17, 2013 at 6:51 pm
(February 17, 2013 at 4:52 pm)apophenia Wrote: Somehow, I don't equate believing in a disembodied spirit whom you must appease with rituals and assurances of its existence, lest bad things happen, as being "anti-superstitious".
Me neither. I'm glad you cleared that up for us though.
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RE: God is above conventional reason
February 17, 2013 at 7:35 pm
Fr0d0, if you don't mind me asking, what is it that you do believe?
All, everything that I understand, I understand only because I love.
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RE: God is above conventional reason
February 17, 2013 at 8:39 pm
(February 17, 2013 at 1:50 pm)TheLameMayWalk Wrote:
(February 17, 2013 at 11:24 am)ThomM Wrote: Sorry - but I disagree with you on that one. IT is not that we DON"T want to believe. IT is that there is NO reason why we should believe.

You have no reason because you don't want to accept any reason.


Again - provide a testable and verifiable proof of the existence of YOUR god

EVERY time I ask - you argue against proof - but offer NONE.

I can only assume from your AVOIDING the issue is that you have no basis for your claims.

If you did - we would all have heard it many times by now
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RE: God is above conventional reason
February 17, 2013 at 8:53 pm
(February 17, 2013 at 8:39 pm)ThomM Wrote:
(February 17, 2013 at 1:50 pm)TheLameMayWalk Wrote: You have no reason because you don't want to accept any reason.


Again - provide a testable and verifiable proof of the existence of YOUR god

EVERY time I ask - you argue against proof - but offer NONE.

I can only assume from your AVOIDING the issue is that you have no basis for your claims.

If you did - we would all have heard it many times by now

I'm not avoiding the issue. Hell, this topic is purely addressing the issue. I've already said what I had to said about proof on the first couple of pages. You can read them, and we can debate from there.
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RE: God is above conventional reason
February 17, 2013 at 9:21 pm
(February 17, 2013 at 8:53 pm)TheLameMayWalk Wrote:
(February 17, 2013 at 8:39 pm)ThomM Wrote: Again - provide a testable and verifiable proof of the existence of YOUR god

EVERY time I ask - you argue against proof - but offer NONE.

I can only assume from your AVOIDING the issue is that you have no basis for your claims.

If you did - we would all have heard it many times by now

I'm not avoiding the issue. Hell, this topic is purely addressing the issue. I've already said what I had to said about proof on the first couple of pages. You can read them, and we can debate from there.


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