Re: RE: Question about two possible attributes of God
June 4, 2013 at 2:52 pm
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Question about two possible attributes of God
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H0ary H0bbit Religious Views: “Never to suffer would never to have been blessed.” - Edgar Allan Poe 
Wait, didn't god invent logic? If so, how is he constrained by it?
Even if the open windows of science at first make us shiver after the cozy indoor warmth of traditional humanizing myths, in the end the fresh air brings vigor, and the great spaces have a splendor of their own - Bertrand Russell
H0ary H0bbit Religious Views: “Never to suffer would never to have been blessed.” - Edgar Allan Poe
no nm
No to what?
Even if the open windows of science at first make us shiver after the cozy indoor warmth of traditional humanizing myths, in the end the fresh air brings vigor, and the great spaces have a splendor of their own - Bertrand Russell
H0ary H0bbit Religious Views: “Never to suffer would never to have been blessed.” - Edgar Allan Poe
No to the only thing it could be no to.
Bad Wolf
Compulsive procrastinator  Religious Views: Agnostic atheist, anti-theist, whovian, misanthrope? (June 4, 2013 at 2:52 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: If rape is always wrong, then god couldn't ask you to do it. God is confined by logic. This does not limit his omnipotence. But according to the bible rape isn't always wrong, in fact its endorsed. And the bible is the word of god isn't it? Therefore god says rape is ok and so.... he is immoral. Omnipotence means: all powerful. The fact that God can be confined in any way proves that he is not all powerful. This seems especially ironic considering he is confined by the very reality he created. You've got a choice here: either God is immoral or he is not all powerful. Choose one.
'The more I learn about people the more I like my dog'- Mark Twain
'You can have all the faith you want in spirits, and the afterlife, and heaven and hell, but when it comes to this world, don't be an idiot. Cause you can tell me you put your faith in God to put you through the day, but when it comes time to cross the road, I know you look both ways.' - Dr House “Young earth creationism is essentially the position that all of modern science, 90% of living scientists and 98% of living biologists, all major university biology departments, every major science journal, the American Academy of Sciences, and every major science organization in the world, are all wrong regarding the origins and development of life….but one particular tribe of uneducated, bronze aged, goat herders got it exactly right.” - Chuck Easttom "If my good friend Doctor Gasparri speaks badly of my mother, he can expect to get punched.....You cannot provoke. You cannot insult the faith of others. You cannot make fun of the faith of others. There is a limit." - Pope Francis on freedom of speech  (June 4, 2013 at 2:52 pm)fr0d0 Wrote:So from that logic: Whatever God says is always right... except it's not true, what with the stoning of your bride in the bridal night if she's not a virgin, that's not cool and I suspect you might agree, yet it's in the bible, isn't it?(June 4, 2013 at 6:47 am)Rationalman Wrote: if God told you to go rape a little girl, would you do it? I mean it must be morally right, yea? If God told you to do it.
"Men see clearly enough the barbarity of all ages — except their own!" — Ernest Crosby.
H0ary H0bbit Religious Views: “Never to suffer would never to have been blessed.” - Edgar Allan Poe Re: RE: Question about two possible attributes of God
June 4, 2013 at 5:33 pm
(This post was last modified: June 4, 2013 at 5:39 pm by fr0d0.)
(June 4, 2013 at 4:05 pm)Rationalman Wrote: But according to the bible rape isn't always wrong, in fact its endorsed. And the bible is the word of god isn't it? Therefore god says rape is ok and so.... he is immoral. Your post is so heavy laden with fallacy I hardly know where to start. But I think you know that and my time would be wasted dissecting it. (June 4, 2013 at 4:10 pm)littleendian Wrote: So from that logic: Whatever God says is always right... except it's not true, what with the stoning of your bride in the bridal night if she's not a virgin, that's not cool and I suspect you might agree, yet it's in the bible, isn't it? You mistake the bible as gods dictates and not what it is, a record of Gods influence. Some laws we're cultural and need to be understood in context. In 2000 years plus people may look at some things we think perfectly acceptable and think them equally horrific. Would we be evil people or products of our surroundings?
Bad Wolf
Compulsive procrastinator Religious Views: Agnostic atheist, anti-theist, whovian, misanthrope? (June 4, 2013 at 5:33 pm)fr0d0 Wrote:(June 4, 2013 at 4:05 pm)Rationalman Wrote: But according to the bible rape isn't always wrong, in fact its endorsed. And the bible is the word of god isn't it? Therefore god says rape is ok and so.... he is immoral. No please go ahead
'The more I learn about people the more I like my dog'- Mark Twain
'You can have all the faith you want in spirits, and the afterlife, and heaven and hell, but when it comes to this world, don't be an idiot. Cause you can tell me you put your faith in God to put you through the day, but when it comes time to cross the road, I know you look both ways.' - Dr House “Young earth creationism is essentially the position that all of modern science, 90% of living scientists and 98% of living biologists, all major university biology departments, every major science journal, the American Academy of Sciences, and every major science organization in the world, are all wrong regarding the origins and development of life….but one particular tribe of uneducated, bronze aged, goat herders got it exactly right.” - Chuck Easttom "If my good friend Doctor Gasparri speaks badly of my mother, he can expect to get punched.....You cannot provoke. You cannot insult the faith of others. You cannot make fun of the faith of others. There is a limit." - Pope Francis on freedom of speech  RE: Question about two possible attributes of God
June 4, 2013 at 6:08 pm
(This post was last modified: June 4, 2013 at 6:09 pm by Norfolk And Chance.)
(June 4, 2013 at 2:54 am)fr0d0 Wrote: You might confuse omnibenevolence with always acting in favour of humans over anything else. God is love/ all loving/the source if love. Also, like Rayaan said, Christians too think that God is just. He only is perfectly moral. He's made up. (June 4, 2013 at 10:20 am)Godschild Wrote: If you decide to operate in the real world, 
You are currently experiencing a lucky and very brief window of awareness, sandwiched in between two periods of timeless and utter nothingness. So why not make the most of it, and stop wasting your life away trying to convince other people that there is something else? The reality is obvious.
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