Pedophilia; I can't accept it.

[Violet]

Well done. You've managed to reach whatever age you are completely ignorant of sexual exploitation of children.

http://www.nspcc.org.uk/Inform/resources...85123.html

http://www.barnardos.org.uk/what_we_do/o...tation.htm

Have I? Have you managed to reach whatever age you are completely ignorant of the sexual exploitation of *everyone* (men, women, children, nonhuman people, elderly)?

Not that I know why we're drawing particular concern over the specifically sexual exploitation... there's a whole sea of exploitability for all people, regardless of age, gender, sex, or even species. Cool, isn't it?

Not to mention that it cannot be consensual if she's too young to legally give consent, anyway.

It cannot be legally consensual if she's not applicable for the giving of legal consent... it certainly can be consensual if she's not applicable for the giving of legal consent. Consenting and law are not one and the same... but you know that.

You just don't think about it.

[Gilgamesh]

Well done. You've managed to reach whatever age you are completely ignorant of sexual exploitation of children.

I know what it is. I'm arguing that this scenario isn't exploitation. You wanna address the content of my (or Violets) post or just call me ignorant?

Not to mention that it cannot be consensual if she's too young to legally give consent, anyway.

If this was a case on trial, the government has laws in place that say any admittance of consent from someone under age X isn't valid. Why that's relevant is beyond me, unless you think it's a law only because people under that age are actually incapable of understanding the concept of consent.

[Godscreated]

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Can you really be that dense, God works through His church, what the church does in helping in Africa is a direct action of God through His church. We do not use your tax dollars to help those across the world, other charities receive money from the government.

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"God working through his church," is a main contributing factor to the persecution of gays in many African countries. In Uganda, for instance, if convicted of being homosexual, a person can be executed. The rise of evangelical missionary groups is directly responsible for this. So, please, do go on about how much good missionary groups do for Africans.

You real believe that churches from other countries set policies for the Ugandan government.

[Esquilax]

You real believe that churches from other countries set policies for the Ugandan government.

You really believe the church doesn't do its damnedest to tamper in the world of politics wherever it goes?

[The Grand Nudger]

The proposed legislation in Uganda has been noted by several news agencies to be inspired by American evangelical Christians. A special motion to introduce the legislation was passed a month after a two-day conference was held in which three American Christians asserted that homosexuality is a direct threat to the cohesion of African families.

The bill was proposed on 13 October 2009 by Bahati and is based on the foundations of "strengthening the nation’s capacity to deal with emerging internal and external threats to the traditional heterosexual family", that "same sex attraction is not an innate and immutable characteristic", and "protect[ing] the cherished culture of the people of Uganda, legal, religious, and traditional family values of the people of Uganda against the attempts of sexual rights activists seeking to impose their values of sexual promiscuity on the people of Uganda".[1]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uganda_Anti...ality_Bill

Any more questions GC?
(perhaps you'd like to know how well connected Mr Bahati is with american christian evangelicals - if the quoted rhetoric above just doesn't seem familiar enough for you......?)

They buckled under international pressure though - and dropped the death penalty. Don't let that dissuade you, keep sending your money - I'm sure that they'll be able to get all the queers eventually.

[Gilgamesh]

Just addressing the topic in general:

The reason why there's any disagreement here is because some people accept things as true, without question. When I hear the statement, for example, "a 14 year old girl cannot be in a healthy relationship with a 25 year old man" the first thought that comes to mind is "why?" If you can cease to care about the stigma attached to something, you will find you believe a lot of things for no other reason than because of emotional appeal. You were brought up to feel strongly one way or the other about things and since everyone else felt that way, you either never thought to question it, or the very thought questioning it implies you don't agree, making you a (for example) disgusting pedophilia supporter. A lot of atheists might as well be thiests, really.

[NoraBrimstone]

You seem very young. It's difficult for you to understand that to a 25 year old, a 13 or 14 year old is basically a baby. 11-14 year old girls are particularly easy to manipulate and exploit for sexual purposes. Don't get me wrong, when I was a kid your age I totally would have agreed with you, now I see it differently because I can see children as an adult sees them. It's not the same. It's not about what the little girl thinks she wants that's the problem, it's the intentions of a man who wants to fuck a child.

[Minimalist]

Right, Nora.

The problem with priests everywhere!

[Violet]

You seem very young. It's difficult for you to understand that to a 25 year old, a 13 or 14 year old is basically a baby.

No... a baby is basically a baby. A 13 or 14 year old is basically a young teenager. Pretty big difference. You're telling me I'll lose my ability to tell the difference between them in a couple of years? Cool... it must be like becoming senile.

11-14 year old girls are particularly easy to manipulate and exploit for sexual purposes.

Of course they are. 15-90 year old girls are also particularly easy to manipulate and exploit for sexual purposes.

The really old ones, especially... gods, but they're easy.

Don't get me wrong, when I was a kid your age I totally would have agreed with you, now I see it differently because I can see children as an adult sees them.

Adults are pretty egotistical, it would seem. Evidently I'm a kid, cool. Always knew I was a child at heart. Hopefully it means I live longer.

It's not the same. It's not about what the little girl thinks she wants that's the problem, it's the intentions of a man who wants to fuck a child.

Are those intentions any different from a man who wants to fuck a bear, or from the intentions of a man who wishes to fuck a woman of thirty? I don't believe so.

The intentions of a rapist are the same intentions, the intentions of forced sadism are not the same intentions. These are intentions independent of those for fucking a person.

[NoraBrimstone]

Adults are nowhere near as easy to manipulate as little girls. You'll actually have a clue what you're talking about in a few years. For now you should just shut your ignorant little mouth so you have less to cringe about when you're older.