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RE: Attn: Christians, We've Heard Them Already
June 7, 2013 at 2:27 pm
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(June 7, 2013 at 8:59 am)John V Wrote: (June 6, 2013 at 5:08 pm)missluckie26 Wrote: I didn't say you were right did I? Nope. Of course not. You're defending the atheist despite the clear evidence.
Really? I thought he was a deist. No? Diest stemming from the word Deus, derived from the Latin word for god. I'm new to the whole categorization scene but I'm pretty sure if he believes in a god he's more on your end of the stick than mine.
Where pray tell, on this site, do you propose he go to avoid such nonsense?
If I were to create self aware beings knowing fully what they would do in their lifetimes, I sure wouldn't create a HELL for the majority of them to live in infinitely! That's not Love, that's sadistic. Therefore a truly loving god does not exist!
Quote:The sin is against an infinite being (God) unforgiven infinitely, therefore the punishment is infinite.
Dead wrong. The actions of a finite being measured against an infinite one are infinitesimal and therefore merit infinitesimal punishment.
Quote:Some people deserve hell.
I say again: No exceptions. Punishment should be equal to the crime, not in excess of it. As soon as the punishment is greater than the crime, the punisher is in the wrong.
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RE: Attn: Christians, We've Heard Them Already
June 7, 2013 at 2:33 pm
(June 7, 2013 at 2:27 pm)missluckie26 Wrote: Really? I thought he was a deist. No? Diest stemming from the word Deus, derived from the Latin word for god. I'm new to the whole categorization scene but I'm pretty sure if he believes in a god he's more on your end of the stick than mine. Guess you missed this post
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RE: Attn: Christians, We've Heard Them Already
June 7, 2013 at 2:42 pm
I didn't miss it, no. Thanks though.
If I were to create self aware beings knowing fully what they would do in their lifetimes, I sure wouldn't create a HELL for the majority of them to live in infinitely! That's not Love, that's sadistic. Therefore a truly loving god does not exist!
Quote:The sin is against an infinite being (God) unforgiven infinitely, therefore the punishment is infinite.
Dead wrong. The actions of a finite being measured against an infinite one are infinitesimal and therefore merit infinitesimal punishment.
Quote:Some people deserve hell.
I say again: No exceptions. Punishment should be equal to the crime, not in excess of it. As soon as the punishment is greater than the crime, the punisher is in the wrong.
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RE: Attn: Christians, We've Heard Them Already
June 7, 2013 at 3:06 pm
(June 7, 2013 at 2:42 pm)missluckie26 Wrote: I didn't miss it, no. Thanks though. So, despite his own declaration that he considers his position fairly close to atheism, you argue that he's closer to a theist. Go figure.
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RE: Attn: Christians, We've Heard Them Already
June 7, 2013 at 3:12 pm
(June 6, 2013 at 8:12 pm)ideologue08 Wrote: (June 6, 2013 at 8:08 pm)Gilgamesh Wrote: What if you're an agnostic theist? Same thing really. A person who's an agnostic theist obviously doesn't believe in a kind of Creator I mentioned, they might think it's a possibility but that doesn't mean they believe fully.
It means they believe, but don't claim to know.
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RE: Attn: Christians, We've Heard Them Already
June 7, 2013 at 3:16 pm
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(June 7, 2013 at 3:12 pm)Mister Agenda Wrote: It means they believe, but don't claim to know. Yeah, exactly. It would be pretty difficult to invoke or worship or pray to a God that you are not even sure is there. One must must be sure in the existence of such a God as a bare minimum, otherwise there is no difference between them or atheists regarding the matter (from my perspective anyway).
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RE: Attn: Christians, We've Heard Them Already
June 7, 2013 at 3:16 pm
Well, people can believe in a god or they don't. Unless you propose there's some magical grey area in-between. His title suggests he does believe in a god, and until he says straight up he's an atheist, he aint an atheist to me (because I cant magically judge the thoughts and intentions of his beliefs within). Point is, I've considered him on the god side (albeit not yOur god in particular), this whole time. Hence making your assertion that I'm defending an atheist for atheists sake,
moot.
If I were to create self aware beings knowing fully what they would do in their lifetimes, I sure wouldn't create a HELL for the majority of them to live in infinitely! That's not Love, that's sadistic. Therefore a truly loving god does not exist!
Quote:The sin is against an infinite being (God) unforgiven infinitely, therefore the punishment is infinite.
Dead wrong. The actions of a finite being measured against an infinite one are infinitesimal and therefore merit infinitesimal punishment.
Quote:Some people deserve hell.
I say again: No exceptions. Punishment should be equal to the crime, not in excess of it. As soon as the punishment is greater than the crime, the punisher is in the wrong.
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RE: Attn: Christians, We've Heard Them Already
June 7, 2013 at 3:18 pm
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(June 7, 2013 at 3:06 pm)John V Wrote: (June 7, 2013 at 2:42 pm)missluckie26 Wrote: I didn't miss it, no. Thanks though. So, despite his own declaration that he considers his position fairly close to atheism, you argue that he's closer to a theist. Go figure.
He dissed your capacity to comprehend the distinction, which seems pretty justifiable right now.
A deist is just like an atheist except they believe in a God that created the universe.
(June 7, 2013 at 3:16 pm)ideologue08 Wrote: (June 7, 2013 at 3:12 pm)Mister Agenda Wrote: It means they believe, but don't claim to know. Yeah, exactly. It would be pretty difficult to invoke or worship or pray to a God that you are not even sure is there. One must must be sure in the existence of such a God as a bare minimum, otherwise there is no difference between them or atheists regarding the matter (from my perspective anyway).
I can't agree to any of that...I don't even agree that someone can truthfully claim to know their God exists (from my perspective)...but I believe in your sincerity. Sometimes different perspectives can't be resolved.
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RE: Attn: Christians, We've Heard Them Already
June 7, 2013 at 3:26 pm
I'd much rather live life humbly not knowing the answer, than in faith of my own surety of a god I truly can't find proof for.
If I were to create self aware beings knowing fully what they would do in their lifetimes, I sure wouldn't create a HELL for the majority of them to live in infinitely! That's not Love, that's sadistic. Therefore a truly loving god does not exist!
Quote:The sin is against an infinite being (God) unforgiven infinitely, therefore the punishment is infinite.
Dead wrong. The actions of a finite being measured against an infinite one are infinitesimal and therefore merit infinitesimal punishment.
Quote:Some people deserve hell.
I say again: No exceptions. Punishment should be equal to the crime, not in excess of it. As soon as the punishment is greater than the crime, the punisher is in the wrong.
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RE: Attn: Christians, We've Heard Them Already
June 7, 2013 at 3:27 pm
(June 7, 2013 at 3:18 pm)Mister Agenda Wrote: I can't agree to any of that...I don't even agree that someone can truthfully claim to know their God exists (from my perspective)...but I believe in your sincerity. Sometimes different perspectives can't be resolved. lol this isn't about agreement. I'm not asking others to agree with me, I'm just stating how things sit with me, which is not really up for debate. Just like your opinions are exactly that, your opinions, no-one can take them away from you even if they disagreed.
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