Ok.....So you killed off Religion...

[ronedee]

So you are saying that nothing would really change in your life if god was proven to not exist.What makes you think it would be any different for anyone else? If they are the kind of people who don't do rotten things just because god said not to, then they have far greater issues than just religion.

If god was proven, I wouldn't change anything in my life because he has demonstrated himself to be unworthy of worship of any kind. He does not interact in our lives and a world with god and a world without god are completely and utterly indistinguishable.

Well... I'm talking the masses here! Do you act like the majority of society? Or do you think you are an individual?

Case in point: during a famed fire several years ago that killed many people... seven walked out a visably open door at the back of a room, while 100's perished at the bottleneck of the front door.

Which group would you be in?

Now I don't know what a panic situation holds for me....but I don't think I would head for a 3x7 door with a whole room moving towards it!

And transversely...can we say the masses will act like us?

I say the masses will act in the worst or best way possible depending on what is evident before them.

[Esquilax]

Fair enough. If there were no god, these killings and fucked up societal "morals" wouldn't exist.

Really what's to stop kids from continuing to kill kids and teachers and principles. What's to keep people from walking in malls and theaters and blasting people to bits. What's to keep the drugged out mothers and fathers from killing their children. What is going to stop any of it, all I see is less God and more crime.

I believe I've mentioned this before, but this "less god in public=more crime" has a limited operable shelf life even if it is true; once we go back to, say, certain theocracies from the past, the inquisition, the crusades, even the actions of god's chosen people as depicted in the bible (brothers liked to slaughter) then the amount of violence, rape, and slavery were way, way higher.

So, you know, in the periods of maximum god, things were sort of worse.

[rexbeccarox]

ronedee, you think awfully little of your fellow theists. You think that without your god, they would all go around like savages. Funny, how those of us without belief don't do that.

Whaaaaa?

It's very apparent to "ALL" that the foundation has been set! In other words, God has been a part of our lives (whether you like it or not) and the overall moral climate/compass has been set since the beginning of time.

You, and many are trying to change the "maker" of that compass, claiming to be moral and "Good". There is only ONE that is GOOD!

It is plain to see that you and others here can't see past the ends of your noses. And that if indeed there were no moral comapss we would be no better than animals.

Make your little jokes and spin it up in what ever direction that makes you feel good about yourselves....but in the end you cannot deny that all good has been instituted by God!

Man does NOT have that capacity! As proven over and over by all of us!

All baseless assertions. And I wasn't joking.

[Godscreated]

Really what's to stop kids from continuing to kill kids and teachers and principles. What's to keep people from walking in malls and theaters and blasting people to bits. What's to keep the drugged out mothers and fathers from killing their children. What is going to stop any of it, all I see is less God and more crime.

You are right, cause god has done such a bang up job of preventing that kind of thing so far.

Do you really think these are new problems? Or could it just be that we now KNOW about these things happening due to increased media saturation?

Media saturation has nothing to do with it, such terrible crimes would not have escaped public notice, I grew up in the 50's and 60's and experienced the things going on then till now. I'm not going to turn a blind eye to what's going on in this country, it's on a steep downhill grade, maybe the younger generation can't see it, but those I grew up with can and that includes Christians and nonbelievers.

[Baalzebutt]

Well... I'm talking the masses here! Do you act like the majority of society? Or do you think you are an individual?

Case in point: during a famed fire several years ago that killed many people... seven walked out a visably open door at the back of a room, while 100's perished at the bottleneck of the front door.

Which group would you be in?

Now I don't know what a panic situation holds for me....but I don't think I would head for a 3x7 door with a whole room moving towards it!

And transversely...can we say the masses will act like us?

I say the masses will act in the worst or best way possible depending on what is evident before them.

Well, as much as we all like to think of ourselves as "different" and "unique", we ARE the masses. We act like the majority of society. Besides, we aren't talking about me specifically, we are talking about the world.

I believe that general behavior would not change much if at all. There is evidence of this by looking at atheist cultures like many European countries.

God doesn't guide societies. Societies guide god.

[Silver]

such terrible crimes would not have escaped public notice, I grew up in the 50's and 60's and experienced the things going on then till now.

The thing about youth is that it tends to not pay attention to worldly matters. After all, why should the young be worried about that which does not affect him when he believes he will live forever? Our mortality really does not seep in until we are adults, and then we begin to pay attention to everything around us. I guarantee that crime was just as bad in your youth as it is today. You simply did not pay attention because there was no reason for you to do so.

[Faith No More]

Well... I'm talking the masses here! Do you act like the majority of society? Or do you think you are an individual?

Case in point: during a famed fire several years ago that killed many people... seven walked out a visably open door at the back of a room, while 100's perished at the bottleneck of the front door.

Are you implying that there would be some kind of mass panic if god was proven non-existent?

[Baalzebutt]

You are right, cause god has done such a bang up job of preventing that kind of thing so far.

Do you really think these are new problems? Or could it just be that we now KNOW about these things happening due to increased media saturation?

Media saturation has nothing to do with it, such terrible crimes would not have escaped public notice, I grew up in the 50's and 60's and experienced the things going on then till now. I'm not going to turn a blind eye to what's going on in this country, it's on a steep downhill grade, maybe the younger generation can't see it, but those I grew up with can and that includes Christians and nonbelievers.

But they DO escape public notice. If you don't have widespread media to get the word out, there is no public notice.

As a for-instance: The NSA got a bill renewed the other day that allows them to collect data on EVERY cell phone call that is made. This has been going on for 7 YEARS and yet, there was no "public notice" of this activity because the MEDIA didn't cover it.

Do some research on crime statistics. I think you will find you have been badly mislead BY THE MEDIA.

[Walking Void]

I grew up with can and that includes Christians and nonbelievers.

What makes it clear for You to discount Judaism and Islam from Christianity who I am getting this vibe of "being correct" or being "the righteous"?

[FallentoReason]

...hypothetically of course!

Maybe 50 or 60 years from now when science finally proves that all of you are right and there is no God..... and religion dies out for you!

Where as a society will the moral compass come from?

Where it's always come from: the subjective opinions of the individual.

Considering of course you even want a moral society?

Yeah, because slightly more atheistic countries just love munching on babies. Give me a break...

Will it be: Laws?

Are you kidding?! Since when do laws regulate how countries work?

hmmmm...who will instill these laws? Teachers? Police? Parents? Military? Government Agencies?

You're kidding, right?... Right??

Will it be community groups? Say like: Acorn? YMC...whoops....Boys & Girls & Gay clubs? Planned Parenthood? The cities or states?

Or will it be just every "being" for themselves, and NO LAWS? Total FREEDOM! WOW!! Freedom to do ANYTHING!! And no one to tell you differently!

Yeah, because laws, cops & justice aren't there to do their job. Oh wait, that is how countries function without religion as the head of society. I seriously hope you're trolling us. Like, seriously hope that's the case.

I'm just wondering what it will be like in "Your Perfect World" w/o God & religion?

Just the way it is now, thanks: not a single snakeoil salesman to tell me what to do just because a book says so. They have it back to front. Mankind should first intellectually battle it out to figure out the most sensible way of life so that the [law] books are justified in telling me how I can compose myself in society.

Let us see where the moral compass points in a world w/o God?

To a place where everyone is equal and has a right to speak up against the system. That's true freedom for you, not some heavenly dictatorship which strangely never represents itself in person, but instead has spoken through the actions of the greedy ones in power. News flash; you're being manipulated.


Sometimes, I get the feeling that the worst citizen would be the newly deconverted. Sounds to me like the only thing holding you back from breaking loose and unleashing hell for yourself and your surroundings is your religious shackles you've willingly bonded to yourself for w/e reasons. I'm genuinely scared for people such as yourself who have this delusion of an atheistic ammoral world. Do yourself a favour and open your eyes. You make it out to be some sort of post-apocalyptic free-for-all where altruism went extinct. It's an outright insult.