Ok.....So you killed off Religion...

[Godscreated]

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What about the mass killings going on in this country, schools, malls, theaters and ect. I have not heard of one who claimed a religious reason for killing. Seems to me the more God is being pushed out the worse things are becoming. Drugs are destroyers of a society and drugs are worse in and of themselves and in usage today than ever before and I know of no religious reason for there use, I did not have any when I used.

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Strawman.

What about all the killings in Syria over religion. What about Shariah (sp?) law?

I would advise you not to bring up points like this. You will get it handed back to you a thousand times over.

We were discussing if there were no God, you're off track kiddo.

[Baalzebutt]

Strawman.

What about all the killings in Syria over religion. What about Shariah (sp?) law?

I would advise you not to bring up points like this. You will get it handed back to you a thousand times over.

We were discussing if there were no God, you're off track kiddo.

Fair enough. If there were no god, these killings and fucked up societal "morals" wouldn't exist.

[ronedee]

Rondee, let me turn this back on you for a moment.

Lets say that god is 100% disproved by science. You no longer have any reason at all to believe.

Do you then turn around and begin murdering and raping because you no longer have a "moral guide"? Do you go crazy and do "whatever you want" simply because you now know that god doesn't exist? If not, them what would be guiding your actions?

Is god the only thing that is keeping you from doing these things? If so, you are a more fundamentally fucked up person that any atheist could ever hope to be.

I await your answer.

Great question. I am basically a loving person...so I don't think my love would change. But I am a protective father and husband.

So, I would probably act accordingly in deeds to help, and protect weaker members of my family and society.

So "love" would be my new god in that case. And nothing would stop me unto death to serve that cause.

And.... I think most Chrisitians would answer the same way.

What would your response be to the opposite scenario. Obviously nothing would change for you if God was NOT proven.

[downbeatplumb]

Obviously nothing would change for you if God was proven.

Interesting question.
I am not a "worshipping" sort of fella.
If god was proved beyond a shadow of a doubt I'd think "well fancy that" and possibly "bugger I was wrong"
But other than including it in my list of facts what would you expect to change?

[frankiej]

But other than including it in my list of facts what would you expect to change?

It would just be yet another cunt with more power than they deserve.

[Baalzebutt]

Rondee, let me turn this back on you for a moment.

Lets say that god is 100% disproved by science. You no longer have any reason at all to believe.

Do you then turn around and begin murdering and raping because you no longer have a "moral guide"? Do you go crazy and do "whatever you want" simply because you now know that god doesn't exist? If not, them what would be guiding your actions?

Is god the only thing that is keeping you from doing these things? If so, you are a more fundamentally fucked up person that any atheist could ever hope to be.

I await your answer.

Great question. I am basically a loving person...so I don't think my love would change. But I am a protective father and husband.

So, I would probably act accordingly in deeds to help, and protect weaker members of my family and society.

So "love" would be my new god in that case. And nothing would stop me unto death to serve that cause.

And.... I think most Chrisitians would answer the same way.

What would your response be to the opposite scenario. Obviously nothing would change for you if God was NOT proven.

So you are saying that nothing would really change in your life if god was proven to not exist.What makes you think it would be any different for anyone else? If they are the kind of people who don't do rotten things just because god said not to, then they have far greater issues than just religion.

If god was proven, I wouldn't change anything in my life because he has demonstrated himself to be unworthy of worship of any kind. He does not interact in our lives and a world with god and a world without god are completely and utterly indistinguishable.

[Godscreated]

What about the mass killings going on in this country, schools, malls, theaters and ect. I have not heard of one who claimed a religious reason for killing. Seems to me the more God is being pushed out the worse things are becoming. Drugs are destroyers of a society and drugs are worse in and of themselves and in usage today than ever before and I know of no religious reason for there use, I did not have any when I used.

Atheist Syrian boy executed by rebels.

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013/06/...d=webmail2

This looks like a religious reason for killing to me.

Here you guys go again believe I said one thing when I actually said another, you all are plain ol' dishonest. The OP is about killing off religion, and I was making the point that God is being driven out of this country (did not state anything about another) and look at what is already happening. The highest jump in overall crime came the year after the Supreme Court tossed prayer out of school, this is also info in another post so I'm not going to post the actual evidence go get it.

[justin]

There is that superior complex showing again GC. I mean "kiddo".

How convientent though of this "God" to try to help us from this unstoppable fate. How generous and all we have to do is grobble at his Feet? Well by golly that seems to be splendid news. I'm sure he is trying his darnest to warn us huh?

[Silver]

The highest jump in overall crime came the year after the Supreme Court tossed prayer out of school.

http://prospect.org/article/violent-crime-increasing

Almost without exception, Americans believe that violent crime is increasing. In the short run, they are right: Violent crime did increase between 1985 and 1990. But what really worries most people is not the short-run trend but their sense that violent crime has been climbing steadily for a long time and that the future will only bring further increases. Such worries are linked to anxiety about drugs, permissive childrearing, hedonism, declining academic standards, the growth of the ghetto underclass, and our collective inability to compete with the Japanese.

No mention of religion.

America certainly has more violence than other rich countries. Murder rates are far higher in the United States than in Europe, Japan, or even Canada. We also have more rapes, robberies, and assaults than other rich countries. But this is nothing new. Crime rates have always been much higher in America than in other affluent nations. Indeed, violence is part of our national mythology. We shed more blood settling our frontier than any other New World nation, and we made more movies glorifying the bloodshed. Our struggle over slavery was also far bloodier than any other nation's.

It seems to be an American problem.

It is quite a long article. Read further if you wish.

[Godscreated]

We were discussing if there were no God, you're off track kiddo.

Fair enough. If there were no god, these killings and fucked up societal "morals" wouldn't exist.

Really what's to stop kids from continuing to kill kids and teachers and principles. What's to keep people from walking in malls and theaters and blasting people to bits. What's to keep the drugged out mothers and fathers from killing their children. What is going to stop any of it, all I see is less God and more crime.