What is "FAITH"

[fr0d0]

Which afaik is consistent with dimension theory. Trouble is these guys know you're a theist so they're not prepared to discuss this openly with you for fear of perhaps losing some ground. In another conversation they'd be falling over themselves to agree with you.

[Consilius]

I expect them to be as objective as possible in their reasoning, regardless of personal belief. They ARE atheists, at that is what they preach: rational thought.

[fr0d0]

It takes a big person to be able to do that, and they are rarer than hens teeth. Tiberius our admin here is one such person.

[Bad Writer]

You can't lump all atheists into one box. Once again you are making assumptions. Why do you continue speaking to us if you feel we aren't living up to your expectations?

[fr0d0]

Atheists claim the label. "Thinking Atheist" is an oxymoron when applied to the majority of atheists. People are sheep. Theists do it too. We just have to laugh and give that the perspective it deserves.

[pineapplebunnybounce]

There is no "before the universe existed", because that would require a measure of time, which didn't exist yet.
What I am suggesting is that the universe was caused by something not reliant on time, that existed on a different plane.

Finally. Something coherent.

Gonna assume you mean dimensions here? because "planes of existence" is metaphysics. Positing an extra dimension is not beyond reason. But dimensions are spatial. And space only came into existence after the big bang.

If you mean plane of existence, you'll need to explain what you mean.

[Godscreated]

There is no "before the universe existed", because that would require a measure of time, which didn't exist yet.
What I am suggesting is that the universe was caused by something not reliant on time, that existed on a different plane.

Finally. Something coherent.

Gonna assume you mean dimensions here? because "planes of existence" is metaphysics. Positing an extra dimension is not beyond reason. But dimensions are spatial. And space only came into existence after the big bang.

If you mean plane of existence, you'll need to explain what you mean.

I'm glad to hear you say that an extra dimension is not beyond reason, I know many, many Christians that believe God existed and still does in another dimension, able to move between them as one would through a door.

[pineapplebunnybounce]

Finally. Something coherent.

Gonna assume you mean dimensions here? because "planes of existence" is metaphysics. Positing an extra dimension is not beyond reason. But dimensions are spatial. And space only came into existence after the big bang.

If you mean plane of existence, you'll need to explain what you mean.

I'm glad to hear you say that an extra dimension is not beyond reason, I know many, many Christians that believe God existed and still does in another dimension, able to move between them as one would through a door.

I'm speaking of dimensions as explained by physics. What are you speaking of?

Also, it's not a Big Dark Secret of the Atheists that extra dimensions are generally accepted ideas, if you read up a little on wikipedia.

[Consilius]

There is no "before the universe existed", because that would require a measure of time, which didn't exist yet.
What I am suggesting is that the universe was caused by something not reliant on time, that existed on a different plane.

Finally. Something coherent.

Gonna assume you mean dimensions here? because "planes of existence" is metaphysics. Positing an extra dimension is not beyond reason. But dimensions are spatial. And space only came into existence after the big bang.

If you mean plane of existence, you'll need to explain what you mean.

The uncaused cause experiences things in a different way than we or any other living thing does, in the same way we experience things on an entirely different level from our most complex robots.
"Metaphysical" would be a good term for it. The uncaused cause transcends space and does not rely upon or experience it in the way biological organisms do. It is not only timeless, but spaceless, and was able to create space for organisms to experience while not being affected by it.
I believe I am still correct in saying "plane of existence".

[pineapplebunnybounce]

Finally. Something coherent.

Gonna assume you mean dimensions here? because "planes of existence" is metaphysics. Positing an extra dimension is not beyond reason. But dimensions are spatial. And space only came into existence after the big bang.

If you mean plane of existence, you'll need to explain what you mean.

The uncaused cause experiences things in a different way than we or any other living thing does, in the same way we experience things on an entirely different level from our most complex robots.
"Metaphysical" would be a good term for it. The uncaused cause transcends space and does not rely upon or experience it in the way biological organisms do. It is not only timeless, but spaceless, and was able to create space for organisms to experience while not being affected by it.
I believe I am still correct in saying "plane of existence".

Purely speculative, we're back to square one.