Skeptics view of Genesis

[pineapplebunnybounce]

Ok I thought it was obvious enough that I don't have to spell it out, but here it is:

Is Goliath 8 or 10 feet?

It depends of the text you want to take the translation from. Some older texts say 8ft, but most bible use the text that says 10ft.

And was he a giant or a nephilim?

The word in either text is: נפיל nĕphiyl, Nephilim is the English version of the Hebrew word for giant. to say either is correct.
http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm...KJV#conc/4

So you don't know what qualifies as a nephilim.

Your point wasn't that tall people exist, your point was that they can exist as a race.

Indeed.

Should be clear enough even for you.

And I even explained how biological inheritance of height works, which you promptly ignored, because you don't want to admit that tall people aren't a race.

You explained how you understand genetics of tall people to work based on the current model of humanity. I'm sorry if I do not take your singular perspective view of Human genetics as gospel truth as you have. My mind remains open to the possiablity of other 'races' of humanity. Not to just what we understand to be humanity today.

And there is no evidence to suggest that there could even possibly be a race of such people.

... and what would 5000 year old evidence of unburried giants look like today?

This is not just how I understand it, nor is it a singular perspective view. You don't know this because you've never learned anything about genetics. But you were ready to attribute height to genetics, because you mistakenly thought that would make a race of tall humans possible. But when I pointed out that there is no evidence to even suggest this possibility, you say you're 'open to other possibilities', without listing any. In other words, science stops being relevant when it doesn't support your point.

Why didn't you answer the question about 8 ft tall people having 7 feet 11 inches kid?

Because I did not say a 7'11" tall kid could not be considered a נפיל nĕphiyl. I said Goliath was considered a נפיל nĕphiyl, and he was reported to be between 8 to 10 feet tall. You wanted a size for a giant, Golith was considered to be a נפיל nĕphiyl, and that was the range we have on his height. Not that נפיל nĕphiyl can not be taller or shorter. My statement simply put golith @ 8 to 10 feet tall.

This shows that you don't even know what a nephilim is. You cannot even begin to describe such a race because you are not able to say what is tall and what is gigantic.

[Clueless Morgan]

No, it's also not hard to imagine dragons. Your point?

and they lived... That's what dinosaurs are.

^^-- How did this bullshit slip past everyone?



Isn't this like saying "Unicorns exist, that's what horses are!"? Uh... no...

[Drich]



The servant still makes points that the Lord is the ‘God of Abraham’

Immortality through the respect and honor of those who follow God is apart of Abraham's blessing.

 The manservant is shown to have other people with him when Abraham told him to go by himself!

So? Abraham did not say noo one could accompany him on his journey. Only that he/servant was to go bride hunting alone. Read the passage again. He approach Rebecca alone.

 Oddly enough they gave the Girl the option – this appears that the Girls mother and brother were sceptical!

to what?

 Why does Rebekah have a nurse?

the word in Hebrew is:נערה na`arah It means female servant. Nurse in this content could mean nurse maid/nanny.



Interesting that it was a done deal – that he married her that night.

they had things to do appearently.

Genesis 25

 Now we see Abraham giving gifts to his Concubines sons and then sends them away. Abraham is very pick and choosey who he honours.

 Here we see again God showing favouritism to one son over the other!

so?





How did Isaac know his wife was barren? That makes no sense?!

Probably because he plowed and seeded the field a few seasons with no harvest to show for it.



Again here we see sinful people talking directly to the ‘Lord’ yet for some reason he never seems to talk to people now a day. Well at least not as directly!

What are you talking about? We have more access to God than any of these people did.



Why do the parents back then show favouritism to one specific child?

Because they did not lie to themselves as we do. Not all kids are the same.

It seems they really were one sided.

You can't truthfully say that till you know the kids.



Ok so Jacob wanted Esau’s birth right for the sake of stew?

Esau thought so little of his 'birth right' as he would sell it for stew.

Genesis 26

 God said he would bless Isaac and the land he is on?! Why the hell did he let a famine happen in the first place? He even let it happen at the time of Abraham!  Again God said he would bless all Nations on Earth!

How did God bless those nations? What does it mean to be blessed by God?



God did not reward Abraham out of love it appears it was conditional rewards!

what do you mean?



What are Gods laws and decrees and commands to Abraham! I don’t see any?!

I do not understand what you are telling me. let alone if there is an actual question here.



Oh for fuck sake – Isaac telling people yet again Rebekah is his sister – Deception yet again!

The faith of the father is not passed down to the son. The son has to establish his own faith.

If God blesses people why do these same people need to lie to others won’t god smite them?!

depends on the blessing, and the conditions of said blessing.



Isaac and Abraham never trusted the people they talked to and felt it easier to lie to them which in some cases hurt the person they were lying to and in other cases made the other people feel shame.

I don't get your point here either... So what would be my knee jerk reaction. Because these men did not grow up in or live to the standards of what it means to live in a modern western/anglo society. Especially one that says that this society is the absolute bench mark of popular morality and all other ways of life must measure up to what you are use to otherwise will be found to be at best lacking, or even immoral.

It seems you have put yourself in the center of the universe and measure everything else against your perceived ideas of what is 'good.'



So god made Isaac more powerful than the people he was in the company of that’s a bit rude.

see above.



Love the way people named places even places they didn’t own!

Identification is needed for direction.



Funny now on the 3rd well they build also the one that was not disputed over they claimed that it was God who gave it to them?

how is that funny?

Genesis 27

 Here we see God again being friendly with ‘Some’ People and also we can observe that god had to buy Isaacs affection.

where did you read that?



Oh common so the Kings that allowed Isaac to live in their land needed to reason with him not to kill them that’s still one-sided ness on the side of God!  Lovely Esau had two wives – Must have been nice for him?

This was in Genesis 27?
verse please.

 Isaac does not know the day of his death but is completely confident that his son will hunt an animal and prepare dinner before this happens!

what where his options? to goto the meat market before it closed? They most likely hunted every day for food.

 Why did the statement Isaac made ‘I may give you my blessing before I die’ not match the one that Rebecca said ‘I may give you my blessing in the presence of the LORD before I die?

NKJV reads the same.

---

^^-- How did this bullshit slip past everyone?

because the people who been here longer than a week or two know better.

Isn't this like saying "Unicorns exist, that's what horses are!"? Uh... no...
[/quote]

clueless indeed.

I rarely make an assertion that I can not completely back up. Even if I initially frame it somewhat simplistically.

http://humanexperience.stanford.edu/feature-dragons

Maybe you should write a letter to the good people at stanford and tell them what your thoughts are on the subject, and kindly cut me out of your 're-education' of the relationship between dinosaurs and Dragons..

---

So you don't know what qualifies as a nephilim.

Then please let's start here. Define Nephilim.[/quote]

[pineapplebunnybounce]

@Drich, are you for real?

If you want to make things up, you can do it all by yourself.

[Faith No More]

^^-- How did this bullshit slip past everyone?

I'm sure to most people his posts read "blah blah blah blah A/S/K blah blah blah."

No one really dissects them anymore, except a naive few.

[Jackalope]

^^-- How did this bullshit slip past everyone?

I'm sure to most people his posts read "blah blah blah blah A/S/K blah blah blah."

No one really dissects them anymore, except a naive few.

Oh, I don't know. There's literally billions of people who haven't had the opportunity to hear his ideas. After all, AF is a pretty small corner of the world. Perhaps he ough to expand his audience - YouTube perhaps?

[Minimalist]

Stop telling jews how to be jews, Drippy. You have enough problems of your own.


http://www.biblestudytools.com/lexicons/...aphal.html

ransliterated Word TDNT Entry
Naphal TWOT - 1392
Phonetic Spelling Parts of Speech
naw-fal' Verb
Definition

to fall, lie, be cast down, fail
(Qal)
to fall
to fall (of violent death)
to fall prostrate, prostrate oneself before
to fall upon, attack, desert, fall away to , go away to, fall into the hand of
to fall short, fail, fall out, turn out, result
to settle, waste away, be offered, be inferior to
to lie, lie prostrate
(Hiphil)
to cause to fall, fell, throw down, knock out, lay prostrate
to overthrow
to make the lot fall, assign by lot, apportion by lot
to let drop, cause to fail (fig.)
to cause to fall
(Hithpael)
to throw or prostrate oneself, throw oneself upon
to lie prostrate, prostrate oneself
(Pilel) to fall

No fucking Giants at all.

[Clueless Morgan]

^^-- How did this bullshit slip past everyone?

because the people who been here longer than a week or two know better.

Know better than to what? Call you out on bullshit?

I rarely make an assertion that I can not completely back up. Even if I initially frame it somewhat simplistically.

http://humanexperience.stanford.edu/feature-dragons

Maybe you should write a letter to the good people at stanford and tell them what your thoughts are on the subject, and kindly cut me out of your 're-education' of the relationship between dinosaurs and Dragons..

What part of that article is supposed to convince me that dinosaur = dragon? Are you a young earth creationist trying to fit dinosaurs into your world view? I'm seriously asking; why is it important that you equate dinosaurs and dragons with each other?

[Cato]

Holy fuck! Can we please end this thread with the following prayer?...

"Father, please forgive Drippy; he knows nothing, let alone what he says." Amen.

[Minimalist]

Know better than to what? Call you out on bullshit?

Hey, I've been doing that for a long time. With Drippy its a full time job and frankly it wouldn't hurt to have an assistant.