Dad links son's suicide to 'The God Delusion'

[Ace Otana]

You simply do not understand what evidence means do you?
I should just give up.

Lack of evidence doesn't dis-prove anything. It just simply states that nothing detectable has been found to support the claim. Nothing detectable, study-able/researchable. It has nothing to do with dis-proval.

You've made a claim and have nothing to support the claim. Understand now?

That's what I meant to say!

I thought I should spell it out for him incase he still didn't understand.

All those great thinkers in the world would die of laughter if they saw this.

[CoxRox]

Chatpilot, I was interested in your claim: 'You notice the historically erroneous data,the same stories repeated more than once and blatantly conflicting with each other'.

You know what I'm going to say.......where did you notice these things? I'm not aware of any historical inaccuracies, and the things that may seem to conflict usually don't on closer inspection.......

[Psalm 23]

You simply do not understand what evidence means do you?

I think you're right. I'm not understaning your version of 'lack of evidence.' I'm not aware of any Police Officer, F.B.I Agent, or C.I.A Agent that only investigates half of the crime scene, and then they openly tell the Public, we have come to the conclusion that "lack of evidence" clears..so and so.. from scene of the crime.

I should just give up.

I think that is a good idea. Because the Universe is one gigantic space.. I cannot see how you come to the conslusion of lack of evidence? Just because what we can explore shows no evidence of God, so that means he's not somewhere beyond every step we approach? How do you know? The entire Universe is not testable. No way, no how.

Lack of evidence doesn't dis-prove anything. It just simply states that nothing detectable has been found to support the claim. Nothing detectable, study-able/researchable. It has nothing to do with dis-proval.

Exactly, lack of evidence does not disprove anything, because the entire universe would have to be explored before someone can come to that final conclusion.

You've made a claim and have nothing to support the claim. Understand now?

I made a claim God exists, and I have claimed God is the creator of the human race. We have evidence life generated itself from non-living to living. What caused this ruler of all species to start living? Nothing? How did "Something come from nothing?"

In my view, I see this "you have no evidence to prove there is no god" as evading. You know you cannot provide evidence and so you break the rules and turn it around. The burden of proof is on your shoulders, not ours. Your claim, you prove it.

I can prove God exists. That's easy. Only if you pay attention!

Proof of supernatural events;

God told Adam & Eve when they broke the Law, "You shall surely die!" Human-kind is the only species on Earth that knows in advance that it's going to die.

[CoxRox]

Psalm23, Permit me to play the devil's advocate: I'm struggling to find 'evidence' to disprove God. I admit it. I would still however, like to see your 'evidence' for God and for Him being 'eternal'??

[lukec]

Historical innacuracies? The bible is a collection of stories, written by (bare minimum) four different authors, and not a historical account. If the age of the earth is worked out through the bible geneologies (and this has been done by christians too, not only atheists) you get the typical answer of about 6000 years. Sometimes people will say there're gaps in the geneologies and extend that time to 10000. Of course, I realize that not everyone is a Young Earth Creationist, but there you have it. So there's a basic one. Another, you've already talked about- the order of beings being created (which is nonsense anyway) is simply wrong. Adam and Eve certainly didn't exist- so there was no "fall." If they did exist, we (humanity) would be descended from a single mating pair from 6000-10000 years ago, which would not even come CLOSE to explaining why we are so genetically diverse. It's flat out impossible. Next big one; the flood. Now, geologists can go a looong way back through the geological strata and there is no data to support a Noachian flood. It is a myth. I know Daystar may say what he's said before- flood data could be misunderstood, or something similar. But that is so unlikely that it is impossible, and personally I would trust the opinions of the many many geologists who've worked in the field and actually looked at the data. A global flood would leave a layer of mud and silt at the exact same level all over the world when the waters receded (this raises the other issue, where exactly did the water go? We don't have enough ice on earth to explain that). But there is no such layer. Instead, all over the world the geological strata are in order, and geologists go back in history the lower they go in the strata.

As for contradictions, Chatpilot's right- the bible is rife with them. In the creation story itself Genesis 1 and 2 don't even agree about the order of created animals. And even if some of these contradictions don't turn out to be contradictions, many of them still are. How can you trust the rest as truth?

[Psalm 23]

Psalm23, Permit me to play the devil's advocate: I'm struggling to find 'evidence' to disprove God. I admit it. I would still however, like to see your 'evidence' for God and for Him being 'eternal'??

I'm sorry to hear that you are trying to disprove something that can never be disproven. Secondly, I believe God is the creator of the Laws that are within this Universe. The Universe must obey these laws in order to survive. I believe God is the mastermind behind the Laws. That's why I believe God is eternal. I cannot fathom non-living cells transforming into living cells that create this intelligent life form we call human-kind from a chaotic chance.

Do you realize the odds of that happening are in the trillions to one? The exact right temperture, the exact right molecules to form human life from nothingness, the creation of the Universe must have had a designer behind it. It is ridculous to think otherwise.

Anyone who says "There is no life after death, or life has no purpose beyond death, we are just a creation of a freak accident of nature." How can anyone call this intelligence we call human-kind a sheer accident?

Obviously, these people haven't found God yet.

[LukeMC]

What caused this ruler of all species to start living? Nothing? How did "Something come from nothing?"

If by "ruler of all species" you mean human, then consider this:
What caused the creator of the universe to start existing? Nothing? How did "something come from nothing?"

Proof of supernatural events;

God told Adam & Eve when they broke the Law, "You shall surely die!" Human-kind is the only species on Earth that knows in advance that it's going to die.

LMAOSorry, I shouldn't laugh

[Ace Otana]

You simply do not understand what evidence means do you?

I think you're right. I'm not understaning your version of 'lack of evidence.' I'm not aware of any Police Officer, F.B.I Agent, or C.I.A Agent that only investigates half of the crime scene, and then they openly tell the Public, we have come to the conclusion that "lack of evidence" clears..so and so.. from scene of the crime.

I should just give up.

I think that is a good idea. Because the Universe is one gigantic space.. I cannot see how you come to the conslusion of lack of evidence? Just because what we can explore shows no evidence of God, so that means he's not somewhere beyond every step we approach? How do you know? The entire Universe is not testable. No way, no how.

Lack of evidence doesn't dis-prove anything. It just simply states that nothing detectable has been found to support the claim. Nothing detectable, study-able/researchable. It has nothing to do with dis-proval.

Exactly, lack of evidence does not disprove anything, because the entire universe would have to be explored before someone can come to that final conclusion.

You've made a claim and have nothing to support the claim. Understand now?

I made a claim God exists, and I have claimed God is the creator of the human race. We have evidence life generated itself from non-living to living. What caused this ruler of all species to start living? Nothing? How did "Something come from nothing?"

In my view, I see this "you have no evidence to prove there is no god" as evading. You know you cannot provide evidence and so you break the rules and turn it around. The burden of proof is on your shoulders, not ours. Your claim, you prove it.

I can prove God exists. That's easy. Only if you pay attention!

Proof of supernatural events;

God told Adam & Eve when they broke the Law, "You shall surely die!" Human-kind is the only species on Earth that knows in advance that it's going to die.

You still don't get it!
Bloody hell!

Sorry but my 5 year old cousin could understand what I said.

Ok, this is my last attempt.

Your claim is nothing but a hypothesis, why? Because nothing supports it. If you had evidence, I could challenge it by finding new evidence. Now I cannot dis-prove a negative. I had simply said, that you lack evidence and evidence means detectable material. Something that can be studied!

So, by you failing on proving gods existence, and have no knowledge about the meaning of the word "evidence", this debate cannot continue.

Now, let me say it nice and clear,......you THINK there is a god and you have no evidence to say its real. Understand now?

I ask for evidence. You have brought none and so I dismiss your claim.

So stop evading and bring the evidence, because so far, I've seen none.

A hypothesis like yours that has no evidence means it lacks evidence. Nothing supports it. If there was evidence, your god belief would be a theory instead of a hypothesis.

Your claim lacks evidence. I'm not saying it dis-proves it or proves it. Just plain and simple LACK of EVIDENCE. You have nothing to support your claims. Nothing in this world, space or time that we have found supports your claims. So your claims lacks evidence.

Now, please try and understand that. Because this is becoming ridiculous really. Since you should know how evidence works.

[Psalm 23]

If by "ruler of all species" you mean human, then consider this: What caused the creator of the universe to start existing? Nothing? How did "something come from nothing?"

God is eternal, he is the living cell that kick-started these non-living cells we call human life. How did non-life generate life without some form of life existing prior to creation? Abiogenesis gives us clues to how life began, but that was the mastermind behind God's creation.

LMAOSorry, I shouldn't laugh

I'm sure you've heard of that famous saying, "Laugh now, but I will get the last laugh?"

[LukeMC]

God is eternal

Insert evidence please =P I don't think you can get around my question with an answer like that.

I'm sure you've heard of that famous saying, "Laugh now, but I will get the last laugh?"

Ooooooooh, we'll see about that