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RE: Dad links son's suicide to 'The God Delusion'
December 4, 2008 at 4:29 pm
Quote:"God cannot be (seen) detected"
Then I can never believe in him. 
If god cannot be detected in anyway, then I can never believe in his existence.
There is no such thing as a god, prove me wrong. 
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence - Carl Sagan
Mankind's intelligence walks hand in hand with it's stupidity.
Being an atheist says nothing about your overall intelligence, it just means you don't believe in god. Atheists can be as bright as any scientist and as stupid as any creationist.
You never really know just how stupid someone is, until you've argued with them.
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RE: Dad links son's suicide to 'The God Delusion'
December 4, 2008 at 4:32 pm
(December 4, 2008 at 4:29 pm)Ace Wrote: Quote:"God cannot be (seen) detected"
Then I can never believe in him.
If god cannot be detected in anyway, then I can never believe in his existence.
There is no such thing as a god, prove me wrong.
Do you realise that Psalms is just gonna say
"God exists. Prove ME wrong"
And we're back to square one?
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RE: Dad links son's suicide to 'The God Delusion'
December 4, 2008 at 4:37 pm
(December 4, 2008 at 4:32 pm)LukeMC Wrote: (December 4, 2008 at 4:29 pm)Ace Wrote: Quote:"God cannot be (seen) detected"
Then I can never believe in him.
If god cannot be detected in anyway, then I can never believe in his existence.
There is no such thing as a god, prove me wrong.
Do you realise that Psalms is just gonna say
"God exists. Prove ME wrong"
And we're back to square one?
Theists have the weaker argument. I thought I should just step in with reason once more.
I could have a comeback like "the flying spaghetti monster exists, prove me wrong "
The fact is, you cannot dis-prove a negative and god is a negative. FSM is a negative and is also something that cannot be dis-proven. In the end, the atheist wins, because the one who claimed, always fails to provide evidence. Thus, no reason to believe.
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence - Carl Sagan
Mankind's intelligence walks hand in hand with it's stupidity.
Being an atheist says nothing about your overall intelligence, it just means you don't believe in god. Atheists can be as bright as any scientist and as stupid as any creationist.
You never really know just how stupid someone is, until you've argued with them.
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RE: Dad links son's suicide to 'The God Delusion'
December 4, 2008 at 4:51 pm
If I've learned anything on this forum, it's how atheists view the notion of a god or gods. You view it as ridiculous as the FSM. This is a very sobering realisation. You view god, like some 'Father Christmas', imaginary person. You may be right. 
Going down memory lane for a minute, I was one of the last kids in my class to believe in Father Christmas. Me and this scruffy, neglected boy, whole heartedly believed in him, and happily 'preached' to our class mates of his existence. Hadn't mum heard the sleigh bells and seen him one time?? Our sincerity would have melted hearts. I repaid his loyalty by helping him find dog ends in the gutter (he had a 20 a day habit at 7). Anyway, I digress. Childish I know, but maybe there is some comparison there, somewhere... 
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RE: Dad links son's suicide to 'The God Delusion'
December 4, 2008 at 5:12 pm
(December 4, 2008 at 4:51 pm)CoxRox Wrote: If I've learned anything on this forum, it's how atheists view the notion of a god or gods. You view it as ridiculous as the FSM. This is a very sobering realisation. You view god, like some 'Father Christmas', imaginary person. You may be right.
Going down memory lane for a minute, I was one of the last kids in my class to believe in Father Christmas. Me and this scruffy, neglected boy, whole heartedly believed in him, and happily 'preached' to our class mates of his existence. Hadn't mum heard the sleigh bells and seen him one time?? Our sincerity would have melted hearts. I repaid his loyalty by helping him find dog ends in the gutter (he had a 20 a day habit at 7). Anyway, I digress. Childish I know, but maybe there is some comparison there, somewhere...
I once did believe in something that does no exist (Santa) and now that I look back at it, I know how silly it was and that this gawd is no differant. Gawd is just un-seen, un-heard of and undetected just like santa.
Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me.
So after learning the falseness of santa's existence, I was very demanding of evidence for anything else. You can see why I'm an atheist can't you
If you do not learn from the past, you will be forced to repeat it.
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence - Carl Sagan
Mankind's intelligence walks hand in hand with it's stupidity.
Being an atheist says nothing about your overall intelligence, it just means you don't believe in god. Atheists can be as bright as any scientist and as stupid as any creationist.
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RE: Dad links son's suicide to 'The God Delusion'
December 4, 2008 at 6:29 pm
Ace, just had a good chuckle there. So now I know why atheism is multiplying at such a rate- it's not the advance of science, but rather as a result of Coca cola shafting us. Some of us are now putting two and two together.....
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RE: Dad links son's suicide to 'The God Delusion'
December 4, 2008 at 8:29 pm
Well what I say is, the reason why "God", Zeus, Russell's Teapot and the FSM etc, are all undisprovable, is because there's no evidence of anything TO disprove.
No evidence. So you just either pick and choose your God, or as is often the case are influenced by others in what God or gods to believe in. Or you even have it pretty much completely imposed upon you, etc. Why not believe in Zeus? Why not a celestial teapot? Or the FSM? Because of your upbringing? Or you CHOOSE your God or gods that you believe in? Belief is not a matter of policy. In that case perhaps you just believe in belief in God(s)?
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RE: Dad links son's suicide to 'The God Delusion'
December 4, 2008 at 10:33 pm
(This post was last modified: December 4, 2008 at 10:35 pm by Psalm 23.)
(December 4, 2008 at 4:29 pm)Ace Wrote: Then I can never believe in him. That is your decision.
Quote:If god cannot be detected in anyway, then I can never believe in his existence.
Once again, that is your decision. The Bible says Moses witnessed God. Now it's up to you whether he did actually witness God, or was he delusional? It all comes down to faith. You either have it, or you don't.
Quote:There is no such thing as a god, prove me wrong.
That is your opinion. Not fact. However, you like to believe it's fact. I've proven God exists. The creation of human life is enough evidence an intelligent creator existed prior to the creation of life. The odds of human life generating itself from a non-living cell is just astronomical. I can't believe there are people in the world that believe human life did not require a creator. That's absurd.
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RE: Dad links son's suicide to 'The God Delusion'
December 4, 2008 at 10:53 pm
Psalm, do you not realize that you can apply what you say about choosing to believe in God to yourself?
You have not proven God exists. You cannot- the royal "you,"- prove god. Perhaps life is enough evidence for you of a creator, but you cannot project your opinions (based only on an old book) onto others and demand that they accept.
Myself, I cannot believe that people have thought in the past that a god was made by a lady having sex with a dead god, or that people thought that your heart would be weighed on a scale, or that a fairy comes and takes away your unused teeth, or that the earth is carried on the back of a turtle, or that the world came out of a giant egg, or... or... or... forever. Faith, like yours, is at odds with scientific evidence, and so stubbornly close-minded that you cannot accept anything which disagrees with your point of view.
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RE: Dad links son's suicide to 'The God Delusion'
December 4, 2008 at 11:22 pm
Lukec, earlier I asked LukeMC, who was on about not believing in God, if he believed in love and he said he had no position on it.
Science minded people, it seems, dismiss the concept of God based primarily on the fact that it can't be tested by science. To me that seems rather short sighted because there are most likely many things that can't be tested by science. Some yet to be known and some like love.
How would one test love, which we all know exists?
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