Converting from islam any help?

[Bucky Ball]

Generally I'd recommend people to stick with their cultural set-up, as long as they have the right idea.

Yes because we all know, that if YOU had been indoctrinated into Islam, the chances are overwhelming, YOU would be a Muslim.


Ilovemyself,
Islam is as easily debunked, as the Christian cult is.
http://www.thethinkingatheist.com/forum/...ns?page=25
Scroll to post 247.
Islam is a moon-god cult, just like Judeo-christianity is a cult of the Babylonian war god/god of the armies.

[Bad Writer]

Don't become an atheist whatever you do. Have a read of this before leaving Islam.



Generally I'd recommend people to stick with their cultural set-up, as long as they have the right idea.

"The right idea"? Way to narrow that one down. In the meantime, go blow god claims out your ass.

[Ilovemyself]

Hi there!
I'm sick and tired of Islam. It's so evil & mean towards non believers also unfair to women. My parents are punjabi pakistani's by their parents, they pray 5 times a day, fast. But they ask me to pray and I say that I'm still learning. I just want to get out of this trash whole religion, Christianity isn't any different but at least Jesus Christ didn't have sex with an 6 year old when he was 55 like mohammed did. I'm still young so i can't move out. I just want some help & advice, thanks.

I know a few muslims who wouldn't qualify as the muslim muslim by other muslims, if you know what i mean. One of them basically ignores everything the religion says, doesn't read the qur'an and has his own opinions (often contradicting islam) about things like sex, marriage, homosexuality etc. and he doesn't always realize how contradicting it is because he hasn't read the qur'an for a long time. So if you've realized at this point that you don't like the religion, you could do that and then you'll only be a muslim "by name". But of course in all cases their parents have no idea that they aren't devout, and I completely agree that you want to keep it on the down low until you can move out, but you can make nonmuslim friends so you don't always have to keep up the act.

Yep, thank you for posting. It wouldn't hurt having more non muslim friends.

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Thanks to all of you that have posted, you are a great help. I might become a n theist to be better off with, and not follow the rules of Islam. I can't touch the Koran right now. I'll have to sell it secretly on ebay haha.

[KichigaiNeko]

[Cato]

Live in a country that won't execute you for thinking different than the majority.

[Fruity]

Good luck! I really hope you can be strong and be patient. Meanwhile, do some research. Don't soak in anything if you haven't questioned it. Not even what atheists tell you. Feel free to ask, ask, ask. Think freely. Enjoy this freedom. Don't be a sponge. Have a filter. I am excited for you! Have fun in your quest for enlightenment.

[Ilovemyself]

Live in a country that won't execute you for thinking different than the majority.

Thanks, I'm living in the uk hopefuly I could call the police .

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Good luck! I really hope you can be strong and be patient. Meanwhile, do some research. Don't soak in anything if you haven't questioned it. Not even what atheists tell you. Feel free to ask, ask, ask. Think freely. Enjoy this freedom. Don't be a sponge. Have a filter. I am excited for you! Have fun in your quest for enlightenment.

Aw thank you so much. I've researched other religions as well. Hopefully when time comes I'll decide x

[Mystic]

I left Islam only to return to it. I am not a believer (momin) nor a disbeliever nor a denier. Hadiths describe the state as living in a state and world between this and that. Reason and ignorance.

I can tell you translations are unreliable, tafsirs do more harm then good, and that simple connections there is something I don't know what and how and why but it blocks people from seeing the clearest connections, the most repeated messages, the explanations of a verse by another verse, and the recitation.

There is a different way of thinking. There is different way of understanding language and expressions.

That said...if you feel like you have to leave Islam because you don't have reason it is true, then it's what you must do.

Blindly following Mohammad is an oxymoron. The Quran in so many verses has shown that it's an oxymoron and it's one the central messages.

You can say it praises both, blindly following and following with insight, but I don't think you can prove that.

Still what a sentence means, it's easy for us to conclude in quick way in a context of a person we are familiar with his way of talking or just common people.

But if God was talking, we might not really be able to understand what he intends. His speech would have more wisdom. Some universal application. Still it maybe so clear but for some reason, we don't see, we don't comprehend, not because our intellects are faulty but because of Satan and his forces.

It's hard trial the Quran. It makes you want to believe but doesn't force you too. Still we may at point where God doesn't want us to believe because we aren't justified in believing, but we self deceive ourselves we believe and are even totally justified in doing so. The Self deception becomes the root of our existence to the extent the Quran becomes due the fact we have a Satanic understanding of much of the Quran that destroys every precious jewel and beauty in it and it's signs and rooms of faith to the extent we are worshipping a horrible creation of our minds, the very root of what we fear - evil of ourselves. It's what leads suicide bombers for example to blow themselves up in a Shia Masjid in pleasing not Allah but the root of the Taghut.

All I can tell you is that it takes patience. Denying Quran because we can't understand a phrase or solve what appears to be a contradiction is harmful to us because we maybe destroying a very helpful tool in helping us. Still believing in wholeheartedly in every verse is problematic if we haven't understood every verse. We maybe misinterpreting words and what they mean to purified souls, to the extent, we may hate most of humanity and think evil of them, while perhaps the Quran has come to tell us to believe "as humanity has believed" but is hidden in the heart.

All I can tell you a helpful hint is the Quran in it's complexity and simplicity is saying to us "You know something but can't explain but in seeking an explanation and clarification you journey towards a bliss unseen a laughter forgotten a treasure lost, don't be hasty but don't be too slow, it's tough struggle, hard test, but you can make it"

Or it's simply telling you what Mufasa told Simba "You have forgotten who you are so you have forgotten me, remember who you are, remember who you are".

[Brakeman]

Don't be a gullible moron, pure and simple. Many of us were once gullible morons because we were environmentally pressured into leaving reason at the door. We just realized that if what was being pushed was real and not a massive scam, then it could easily hold up to basic reasonable scrutiny. The surprising thing is that religion can't stand up to scrutiny without desperate con men making wild excuses one after another to cover up the holes. These con men, also known as theistic apologists, are easily observed here to be totally dishonest, as they consciously avoid and ignore the gaping holes in their logic during discussions on this board but run like the wind on known false information. They never hesitate to use propagandic tricks to mislead in their direction and never admit to any incongruities.

I implore you to use at least the amount of reason you would use to protect your own money. If a man's claim isn't good enough to risk your money, it shouldn't be good enough to risk your mind.

[Mystic]

I agree with your advice. Right now it seems foolish. I haven't gotten the chance to elaborate. Entering from many doors is the wisest decision we can make, because, we can't be sure we will survive one room. It increases the odds.

What you have stated I wholeheartedly agree. But the truth is you really are talking to yourself and me. You are expressing what you want to make out of my words.

And your advice is true. I agree with it.

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I also feel lucky I live in Canada where I can leave Islam and go back to it as I please. Go all out to show why I think a verse shows Quran is false (at least some of it is false) and then be allowed to then show why I think I was wrong.

I am glad I lived in a country that gave me freedom to leave Islam. If I lived in Iran, I might of been put in Jail or killed by a falsely accused crime if I began to speak about my problems. Still I'm glad that if I was never justified in faith, that I am allowed to realize that, and then perhaps take a journey to justify my faith without being pushed to make a quick decision.

I don't believe in Quran. I'm just inclined to believing it. Some people confuse the two. But they are two different things.