Why can't non-christians talk with god?

[Brakeman]

Then he failed to satisfy the criteria I spent that sentence describing.

So if the President or Queen or whomever runs your country sends a messenger to you to start a dialog that would eventually lead into a face to face, you would not respond?

A big difference here is that for Obama's case, the messenger, or the messenger's messenger would have actually seen and spoken to Obama. Plus, actually getting a message from Obama would not break any physics laws and would not be unexpected in our experience in reality.

What if you quit making excuses for an absent god?

The act of sending a messenger denotes a present and active God.

Unless the messengers just made it all up, which is, of course, what we are all contending. Your logic is such a huge fail.

[Polaris]

Of course the pat christian answer is that he does "telepathically" talk to anyone that will "humble" themselves. WOo

However that is a huge cop out. Why is god such a childish twit that he won't answer anyone who isn't groveling at him, except for Satan of course.

Who told you this? I talked to God when I was a non-Christian.

[Brakeman]

How told you this? I talked to God when I was a non-Christian.

Really?? What did he say?

("How" didn't tell me anything, I don't even know him)

[Polaris]

How told you this? I talked to God when I was a non-Christian.

Really?? What did he say?

("How" didn't tell me anything, I don't even know him")

I don't remember....it was years ago though I do recall the time he got me gasoline in the middle of the desert when I ran out, but of course you could argue that either way. I don't even remember which exact day I became a Christian, which from what I have seen those who call themselves as Born Again, is out of the ordinary.

[Brakeman]

Really?? What did he say?

I don't remember....it was years ago though I do recall the time he got me gasoline in the middle of the desert when I ran out, but of course you could argue that either way. I don't even remember which exact day I became a Christian, which from what I have seen those who call themselves as Born Again, is out of the ordinary.

So god shared his words with you and you forgot to write them down for addition to the bible??? You should have been famous! They name a book for you and everything, and then the churches vote on where it will be placed with the others. After that they rename the version. So the king James version could have been renamed the Polaris version. But you forgot? Well, maybe they can add it into one of the gospels, they were fond of doing that anyway..

[Owlix]

I must admit, sometimes I talk to god.... bad habits, you know. Particularly frustrating times (as opposed to moderately frustrating times) I'll say God Damnit!!! Not so much Jesus Christ... I've always like to use that one satirically, like 'Cheese and Rice, man, cheese and rice'. Perhaps you could also say I do it when I say son of a bitch (no she di'nt). Holy hell, stuff like that. So mostly I refer to 'god' when I curse for no other reason except that I feel like they express whatever it is I want to but can't find the right word for at that particular moment. But I also appreciate the whole 'sticks and stones' thing in the perspective of bad words. Damn, Bastard, fuck fuck fuckity fuck this shit cunt douchebag.... those are descriptive words, and until they're used in a manner or attempt to harm, they're only words.

So I guess in the end I don't really talk to god, I just shout or say expletives that include reference to certain religious beings.

and always remember........

http://tx.english-ch.com/teacher/lyn/tip.jpg

[Godscreated]

I would say we should have a sit down and discuss what you did to earnestly seek God, in my experience with people those who actually sought God found Him, those who played at finding God did not. I mean none of this to reflect on you, just giving you what I've experienced with other people.

How would you determine whether someone actually sought him or "played at finding"? What is your criteria?

This is actually a tough situation and I have discovered that a forum is no place to discuss this. There could be criteria, there could be emotionalism, there could be some unfulfilled need, there's no way to know without setting down and talking through things, no arguing, no I'm superior to you because or anything likely to derail positive conversation.

GC

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I would say we should have a sit down and discuss what you did to earnestly seek God

In other words, I'll just claim that no matter what you did, you didn't do it right or didn't do it enough.

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Are you positive you didn't already have what you wanted in mind, many have talked themselves right out of a relationship with God. Only asking to see if you might have considered you wanted God not to be real.

And you're an idiot. You think I wanted to give up the religion I was born into and one which my wife still practiced? I never once in my life ever considered atheism as valid until I had serious doubts and the last vestiges of my faith were slipping away. And this was after I had prayed to God to show me that he exists and wants me to worship him. So just stop with the "You just don't want to believe" crap. I think it would be wonderful if there was some all-powerful cosmic being who loves humanity and is watching over us and taking care of us. But I just can't make myself believe that it is so.

I ask a simple question and then state that it might be something to consider. I did not mean anything by it, nothing more than a simple question. So tough guy, you have missed one of the most important things in Christianity, it is God who brings belief to the faithful, you can do nothing to gain salvation, God gives it all, you are to only accept the gift.

GC

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I would say we should have a sit down and discuss what you did to earnestly seek God

I'll bet for as many people that claim to have found god, there are almost as many methods they used.

Not to mention all the people of other religions that also claim to have found their god. With no method to discern the difference between your claims and theirs.

in my experience with people those who actually sought God found Him, those who played at finding God did not. I mean none of this to reflect on you, just giving you what I've experienced with other people.

But here's the rub. No matter how sincere and earnest a person was in seeking God, if they don't find him (or he doesn't find them), you have a built in way discount their efforts.

"Obviously, if you didn't find God, you had to be just playing at finding him. Because if you were earnest and sincere, you would have found him. How do I know? Because you didn't find him."

Circular reasoning at its best.

You sir, are wrong, just plain wrong, put that in your pipe and smoke it.

GC

[Drich]

Wow, this thread asks why doesn't God talk to atheists?

I asked if He did what would you have to say?

A few of you made an effort by posting some really simple questions (the answers to which are found in the bible.) to which I pointed out the answers.

... And what did I get in return? Nothing.

Think about it you asked a question I provided a biblically based answer. Meaning you have God's thoughts on what you asked. Your responses? To ignore it and move on to a game you think you can win.

Wtf is wrong with this picture? You whine and ask why won't God hear you when You ask... Then when God's word is provided for the questions you have asked, you ignore it... So in that silence you all have your answers. God does not 'answer your questions/hear your prayers' because when the door is opened even for a little bit you ignored Him. He gave you 'x' and you did nothing with it. So according to the parables of Christ what little you were given can be taken away and given to someone else.

Aside from loving God with all of out being we are told we are to be faithful to what we have been given. If God gives you x you are responsible for x. To use x.

[max-greece]

Wow, this thread asks why doesn't God talk to atheists?

I asked if He did what would you have to say?

A few of you made an effort by posting some really simple questions (the answers to which are found in the bible.) to which I pointed out the answers.

... And what did I get in return? Nothing.

Think about it you asked a question I provided a biblically based answer. Meaning you have God's thoughts on what you asked. Your responses? To ignore it and move on to a game you think you can win.

Wtf is wrong with this picture? You whine and ask why won't God hear you when You ask... Then when God's word is provided for the questions you have asked, you ignore it... So in that silence you all have your answers. God does not 'answer your questions/hear your prayers' because when the door is opened even for a little bit you ignored Him. He gave you 'x' and you did nothing with it. So according to the parables of Christ what little you were given can be taken away and given to someone else.

Aside from loving God with all of out being we are told we are to be faithful to what we have been given. If God gives you x you are responsible for x. To use x.

To be honest I read your "what would you say?" as a rhetorical question which is why I merely responded with "I'd have a lot of questions."

Whilst the above is true - and I would do - I haven't actually formulated those questions directly in my mind as I tend not to prepare for things I regard as seriously unlikely.

On the other hand - shouldn't God know my questions anyway - possibly better than I do? He could start by answering them before they have been asked. I'd be happy to sit and listen for awhile.