This Is Why I Hate Fucking Xtians.

[Ryantology]

There's no such thing as "holy water", but alas, you seem to be intent to believe all Christians believe in bullshit.

I believe that the universe was created by some extradimensional being with unlimited power who takes a personal interest in everybody's lives and lets some of them live forever if they're good, but holy water? That's just crazy.

[Captain Colostomy]

When I was 'over there', those 'holy water is silly' types were remarkably absent. Christians were tripping on their dicks to get dunked. They had plastic bottles shaped like...a cross?, Gonesha?, something jesus-y, to fill with baptismal pissy water to take home. Nah...not holy at all. The real christians™ musta been doing a dry run of the Via Dolorosa, or maybe checking out Megiddo for signs of apocolypse.

[Minimalist]

Atheists like you that disparage people who, because of their faith, find strength in adversity...these atheists make me sick. And yet I will pray for you in the hope that you will repent of your hatred.

Blow it out your ass, Chad.

[Esquilax]

Atheists like you that disparage people who, because of their faith, find strength in adversity...these atheists make me sick. And yet I will pray for you in the hope that you will repent of your hatred.

Christians like you who, because of their faith, find reason to do nothing of any tangible use... these christians make me sick. And yet while you pray ineffectually, I will continue to do useful, decent things with my life, in the hopes that you will abandon your passive aggressive mumbo jumbo.

[Drich]

Stupid, silly, superstitious bastards.

http://news.yahoo.com/church-services-he...47069.html

TACLOBAN, Philippines (AP) — Hours after the storm hit the Philippines, the Rev. Amadero Alvero was on the streets, sprinkling holy water over the dead and praying for them. By late afternoon, the 44-year-priest had blessed about 50 corpses in the remains of this shattered city.

These assholes will live in cardboard boxes while the fucking church gets rebuilt!

Rebuilt by the guys living in those boxes. Why? Because they are smart enough to know that aid and distribution of food water and help/helpers often focuses around community centers like idk A FRIGGEN CHURCH! You'd know this if you'd ever work in a disaster relief effort.

Good call arm chair disaster relief worker!

[Captain Colostomy]

Stupid, silly, superstitious bastards.

http://news.yahoo.com/church-services-he...47069.html


These assholes will live in cardboard boxes while the fucking church gets rebuilt!

Rebuilt by the guys living in those boxes. Why? Because they are smart enough to know that aid and distribution of food water and help/helpers often focuses around community centers like idk A FRIGGEN CHURCH! You'd know this if you'd ever work in a disaster relief effort.

Good call arm chair disaster relief worker!

The main thrust of this is people prioritizing collective delusion over personal well being(including collective well being). The manner in which relief and rebuilding would occur would improve if there was a humanistic, rather than religious, belief underpinning the populace. Resources diverted for church use and building, for instance...also able bodies doing more than just crossing themselves, etc. Without this interference, people would be more apt to devote time to each other and notsome invisible distraction.

Drich- Building hurricane resistant shelters for future use could not only serve as a staging area, but help preserve lives next typhoon go round. Better than 'up your ass with stained glass' with a church. (Seriously, though...you're arguing a rebuilt churches' usefulness that would take weeks/months to build?) What a crap rationale. This isn't helpful for right now.

Again, I get that christians there likely want their jesus security blanket. But if they only shelved the mythology, I can see how it could help put focus where it's more pressingly needed. My condolences to them all, regardless of ideological differences.

[Jacob(smooth)]

These assholes will live in cardboard boxes while the fucking church gets rebuilt!

Are you referring to the assholes left homeless by the storm? The article to which you linked says that 30 families are living in the damaged church. Do you also hate the fucking Xtians who took in the homeless and are giving them shelter, food and water?

Boru

Yeah, those fucking xtians.

And yeah, it would be the church that was better built than the surrounding building and thus survived more or less intact and therefore became an impromptu hospital and shelter for people from far around. Why would you want to repair that?

You know, what makes me sick about Christians is when they try to derive validation of their beliefs from natural disasters, using tragedy to score points. It's deeply disappointing to see that atheists indulge in the same. I thought you'd be better than that.

As to blessing the dead, it's his time! You have no idea what else he's doing. He might be spending 20 hours looking after the people in th E church and doing this afterward. And lots of these people are deeply religious. Fuck witted as it may seem to you, if this gives comfort to the families, and reassurance that there is a constant in their shattered world, who are you to deplore the merit of it. You don't turn up to funerals and tell the family "you know that prayer is bulls hit right? Your kids just DEAD". That's not bold intellectual honesty, that's just being a massive douche.

Nice to our comfortable cynicism, to sit back on our Pc s in our comfortable hours and scornfully say that this poor bastard in harms way to whom all these people are looking for comfort and support, is doing it wrong. Bet you'd do a much better job right? Fucking xtian indeed.

I don't like the passive aggressive "I'll pray for you to repent" thing. So i will simply say I found the op to be more akin to the sort of comment I find on the most rabidly right wing Christian forum than anything I expected to find here. You should consider becoming a deist. You have the right attitude and obliviousness of the complexity for it. You'd fit right in.

---

Rebuilt by the guys living in those boxes. Why? Because they are smart enough to know that aid and distribution of food water and help/helpers often focuses around community centers like idk A FRIGGEN CHURCH! You'd know this if you'd ever work in a disaster relief effort.

Good call arm chair disaster relief worker!

The main thrust of this is people prioritizing collective delusion over personal well being(including collective well being). The manner in which relief and rebuilding would occur would improve if there was a humanistic, rather than religious, belief underpinning the populace. Resources diverted for church use and building, for instance...also able bodies doing more than just crossing themselves, etc. Without this interference, people would be more apt to devote time to each other and notsome invisible distraction.

Drich- Building hurricane resistant shelters for future use could not only serve as a staging area, but help preserve lives next typhoon go round. Better than 'up your ass with stained glass' with a church. (Seriously, though...you're arguing a rebuilt churches' usefulness that would take weeks/months to build?) What a crap rationale. This isn't helpful for right now.

Again, I get that christians there likely want their jesus security blanket. But if they only shelved the mythology, I can see how it could help put focus where it's more pressingly needed. My condolences to them all, regardless of ideological differences.

That's a far more balanced sentiment. And I agree that a more humanist society is often healthier. But perhaps when their world's have been destroyed and their loved ones torn from them is the wrong time to be thinking of taking that security blanket.

As to rebuilding the church, there are 30 families there. Repair one building which shelters 30 families or rebuild 30 houses. Seems like right good humanist sense to me whether those families were in a church, a mosque or a shopping mall! If they get a bit of Jesus blanket at the same time, that's a bonus!

[freedomfromforum]

You know, what makes me sick about Christians is when they try to derive validation of their beliefs from natural disasters, using tragedy to score points. It's deeply disappointing to see that atheists indulge in the same. I thought you'd be better than that.

I'm learning that humans don't like being called on their hypocrisy

You are dangerously close to getting a rep point from me

[Brakeman]

TACLOBAN, Philippines (AP) — Hours after the storm hit the Philippines, the Rev. Amadero Alvero was on the streets, sprinkling holy water over the dead and praying for them. By late afternoon, the 44-year-priest had blessed about 50 corpses in the remains of this shattered city.

It's important for the church to be out there at these times because they have to convince the sheep to put the church in their wills and to ensure their 10% of any insurance moneys coming forth. It is quite well calculated.

The Billy Graham crusade held a "revival" in Ascension (SP?), Lima, Peru during a horrible time of starvation and poverty in the '80. I was enraged enough to fight when so much of the service was the constant reiteration of the "widow's mite" story, followed by extensive passings of the donation plate. The crusade had brought the most sophisticated sound system and generators worth at least a million dollars to go extract a few inti from the poor, starving, ignorant people. It was a grand stand seat to a horribly evil con.

[freedomfromforum]

It is long past the time when the church should be accountable for its income and how it spends it. On a more even note; all humans are capable of abusing an abusive system toward their own personal advantage, it's just that the church provides shelter for the con.