Question about female worth in islam.

[Silver]

Yes, you did. It's right there in your post.

But did you not know? You are misreading her post.

[NoraBrimstone]

Yes, you did. It's right there in your post.

But did you not know? You are misreading her post. ;)

Oh noes!!!!

[Fidel_Castronaut]

You know what? A lot of women do want to work and do work.

In the western world the emancipation of women has progressed centuries ahead of that in the Islamic world, to the point where a woman can lead a state and dictate international affairs on an equal footing to her male counterparts.

Can you imagine a female leader of an Islamic state? What about a leading female cleric? Indeed, perhaps the most dominant section of western society that isn't emancipated are the religious entities that still dominate some sections of society (eg Catholic Church).

I think your comment that women "don't have to work" is actually an insult to those who do and do it bloody well, like my fiancé, who is developing antibioitics that will hopefully one day save millions of lives.

If she were born in an Islamic state, she would have and will achieve nothing her entire life except to spawn more humans and obey her husband.

You're just trying to understand it the way which you want to understand . Islam doesnt prohibit women to work . Islam does not require women to work . A lot of women do want work and work in muslim countries too . The primary mission of women is their children . This is essential for healthy child development and a strong family structure .

I think you'll find a lot of women who disagree that the primary reason for their existance is their pussy and how many little people th can fire out of it. What about women who can't have children, for example?

Also I find it laughable you can say that a lot of women do work in Islamic countries when in places like Saudi for example they are prohibited from even going out without a male to chaperone them.

I wonder how many women enjoy education in areas where the Taliban are control in Pakistan and Afghanistan. Oh, wait, they're not true Muslims, right? Yeah, thought not

You will find muslim female government officials if you examine the history of Muslim countries .

Sure, like Benazir Bhutto in Pakistan (shot primarily because she was a woman trying to take control of an increasingly religiously conservative country). I struggle to think of any more, but I'm sure there are some.

Actually I dont want to discuss about "government policies" and "how they live their life" . This doesnt bind the essence of Islam . But I can discuss about Quran and what Allah want people to do .

You're free to discuss whatever you want, and so are we. You can't taper off a conversation because you don't like it.

Also, Allah doesn't want people to 'do' anything. There is no such thing as an Allah as there is no evidence of one.

[WesOlsen]

I didnt say such a thing .

If Muslim countries actually kept records of literacy rates, it would be very interesting to see the proportion of women who can (or rather, cannot) read and write. UN estimates for countries such as Afghanistan are pitifully low, and even the wealthiest of the gulf states are some of the most oppressive. Why do you subscribe to an ancient religion that is based on a glaringly obvious fraud and that treats you like a piece of shit? Do you not think it coincidental that your religion is tailored towards archaic notions of the family unit and gender functions, and that it was written by a MAN? How long can you go on telling yourself that your religion actually places any value on you other than your reproducing and cooking potential?

In my home, my partner (a woman) is the bread winner (she is a biomedical scientist). I also do most of the cooking in the home. Normally this doesn't even merit discussion because it's not unusual, I don't even think about it normally because clearly it causes no problems. With capitalism aside, does it not strike you as bizarre that even the wealthiest Muslim country doesn't even come close with its economic or cultural development to most European or other developed countries? Employment rights, gender rights, opportunities in the business and in the arts - The Islamic world lags behind in every field, and has made next to no contributions to the world of science or medicine in decades. Don't you realise it's because you let men run your shit for all the wrong reasons. You ARE oppressed.

[Nineteen]

As I said , I'm not interested with the disruptions stemming from political reasons .

Allah says everyone have equal rights and everyone will reach their goals as long as they work . Doesnt matter their gender , nationality , religion .

[WesOlsen]

Maybe you can remind the muslim world what Allah said in which case, and provide some evidence whilst you're at it. They seemed to have overlooked that bit. Just saying.

[pocaracas]

As I said , I'm not interested with the disruptions stemming from political reasons .

Allah says everyone have equal rights and everyone will reach their goals as long as they work . Doesnt matter their gender , nationality , religion .

I sense derailment....

Who hears this Allah person say those things?

That kind of looks like the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, article 2.

[Fidel_Castronaut]

As I said , I'm not interested with the disruptions stemming from political reasons .

Allah says everyone have equal rights and everyone will reach their goals as long as they work . Doesnt matter their gender , nationality , religion .

Whatever you say. But as Wes says, maybe you should bring this up with your Muslim brethren next time they use the Quran or the stories of the prophet to circumcise a woman, or to bash her head in with giant rocks.

[Nineteen]

I sense derailment....

Who hears this Allah person say those things?

That kind of looks like the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, article 2.

If you read Quran without prejudices in an objective way , you can realize the importance given to human rights .

Whatever you say. But as Wes says, maybe you should bring this up with your Muslim brethren next time they use the Quran or the stories of the prophet to circumcise a woman, or to bash her head in with giant rocks.

I dont believe in hadiths . All of them were revealed after centuries of the prophet and many of them were fabricated by Umayyads and Abbasids for political reasons . Most importantly , many verse in Quran forbids to believe in hadiths . Also many of them contradict with each other and contradict with Quran .

[WesOlsen]

I sense derailment....

Who hears this Allah person say those things?

That kind of looks like the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, article 2.

If you read Quran without prejudices in an objective way , you can realize the importance given to human rights .

Whatever you say. But as Wes says, maybe you should bring this up with your Muslim brethren next time they use the Quran or the stories of the prophet to circumcise a woman, or to bash her head in with giant rocks.

I dont believe in hadiths . All of them were revealed after centuries of the prophet and many of them were fabricated by Umayyads and Abbasids for political reasons . Most importantly , many verse in Quran forbids to believe in hadiths . Also many of them contradict with each other and contradict with Quran .

I read it in an objective way and found just the opposite, I also found it really unconvincing. Why don't you try looking at things from another perspective? There's a much greater world awaiting women who are able to escape the barbaric clutches of Islam. Free your mind from this nonsense.