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RE: Christianity almost impossible without indoctrination
February 15, 2014 at 4:10 pm
(February 15, 2014 at 3:43 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: (February 15, 2014 at 2:11 pm)FreeTony Wrote: Your version of Christianity.
This is the reason the Chrisitians I am friends with don't believe in Hell. They wouldn't worship a God that would send people to Hell. They laughed when I asked whether they believed Hell exists.
They would also say their version of Christianity is correct.
No, the widely accepted version of Christianity that comprises the mainstream Christian Church.
I agree with your friends on a basic level. But the question goes far deeper. You choose to "live in hell" all the time you choose death over life, or to do harmful stuff, as do I, and every other human. Is a kinda widely accepted fact, but one you choose to put in religious language so that you can shoot it down.
Would this be a Protestant accepted version of Christianity or a Catholic accepted version of Christianity? 
Sorry, I've no idea what you're talking about. What does "live in hell" mean? I don't "live in hell" because myself and my partner aren't married, yet the Church says that is wrong.
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RE: Christianity almost impossible without indoctrination
February 15, 2014 at 4:22 pm
Some believe that satan reigns in the world for now, so this life is pretty close to hell.
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RE: Christianity almost impossible without indoctrination
February 15, 2014 at 4:45 pm
(February 15, 2014 at 4:10 pm)FreeTony Wrote: Would this be a Protestant accepted version of Christianity or a Catholic accepted version of Christianity?
Sorry, I've no idea what you're talking about. What does "live in hell" mean? I don't "live in hell" because myself and my partner aren't married, yet the Church says that is wrong.
Both
You don't know what doing bad stuff that is detrimental to yourself is??
Your condemnation is your own.
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RE: Christianity almost impossible without indoctrination
February 15, 2014 at 4:56 pm
(February 15, 2014 at 4:45 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: Both
You don't know what doing bad stuff that is detrimental to yourself is??
Your condemnation is your own.
Well it's lucky Hell only exists in the wild and rather perverse imagination of some Christians.
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RE: Christianity almost impossible without indoctrination
February 15, 2014 at 5:19 pm
(February 15, 2014 at 12:09 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: (February 15, 2014 at 11:30 am)orogenicman Wrote: Actually, it would be the other way around, since many non-believers were, in fact, burned at the stake by Christians during the middle ages.
... by mindlessly following the populist view... which at the moment is atheism
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RE: Christianity almost impossible without indoctrination
February 16, 2014 at 12:08 am
(February 15, 2014 at 4:07 pm)Chad32 Wrote: My favorite is when they say there's no restraint without god. Implying or even stating that without god they'd do all sorts of atrocities that they don't for fear of hell or not getting into heaven. It says more about them than us, really.
Actually, I think they'd be just fine without their religion. They just say this so they can feel morally superior. Just my view. I may be wrong.
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RE: Christianity almost impossible without indoctrination
February 16, 2014 at 12:13 am
(February 16, 2014 at 12:08 am)DeistPaladin Wrote: (February 15, 2014 at 4:07 pm)Chad32 Wrote: My favorite is when they say there's no restraint without god. Implying or even stating that without god they'd do all sorts of atrocities that they don't for fear of hell or not getting into heaven. It says more about them than us, really.
Actually, I think they'd be just fine without their religion. They just say this so they can feel morally superior. Just my view. I may be wrong.
I should hope so. Honestly, good people tend to do good, and bad people tend to do bad, regardless of what group they belong to.
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Christianity almost impossible without indoctrination
February 16, 2014 at 12:24 am
(February 16, 2014 at 12:08 am)DeistPaladin Wrote: (February 15, 2014 at 4:07 pm)Chad32 Wrote: My favorite is when they say there's no restraint without god. Implying or even stating that without god they'd do all sorts of atrocities that they don't for fear of hell or not getting into heaven. It says more about them than us, really.
Actually, I think they'd be just fine without their religion. They just say this so they can feel morally superior. Just my view. I may be wrong.
In my experience, these are usually people who have very little grasp of morality, and need rules they can follow. Ironically, they assume everyone to be the same, and in need of the same guidance.
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RE: Christianity almost impossible without indoctrination
February 16, 2014 at 1:14 am
(February 16, 2014 at 12:24 am)Rampant.A.I. Wrote: In my experience, these are usually people who have very little grasp of morality, and need rules they can follow. Ironically, they assume everyone to be the same, and in need of the same guidance.
The reason I'm skeptical about that point is Yahweh has a long, confusing and often contradictory list of rules to follow. The fact that everyone from Michael Moore to Fred Phelps can follow Jesus only shows you that Jesus is the imaginary friend who tells them to do what they already wanted to do in the first place.
Imagine someone saying, "You have no guide to morality but my imaginary friend tells me what's right and wrong." That's pretty much what Christians do.
No wonder people tend to be more moral without it.
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Christianity almost impossible without indoctrination
February 16, 2014 at 2:47 am
Whenever I hear about Christian morality, I'm reminded of devout Christians like Albert Fish:
"Hamilton Howard "Albert" Fish[3] (May 19, 1870 – January 16, 1936) was an American serial killer. He was also known as the Gray Man, the Werewolf of Wysteria, the Brooklyn Vampire, the Moon Maniac and The Boogey Man.[4] A child rapist[citation needed] and cannibal, he boasted that he "had children in every state",[4] and at one time, stated the number was about 100. However, it is not known whether he was talking about rapes or cannibalization, less still whether he was telling the truth. He was a suspect in at least five murders during his lifetime. Fish confessed to three murders that police were able to trace to a known homicide, and he confessed to stabbing at least two other people. He was put on trial for the kidnapping and murder of Grace Budd, and was convicted and executed by electric chair.[5][6]"
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Fish
Who is only one instance among May others:
http://king-dave.newsvine.com/_news/2011...fect-faith
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