Prayer is blasphemous

[thesummerqueen]

No it doesn't. There are plenty of studies to show prayer doesn't do fuck all. Don't be thick.

[Sword of Christ]

No it doesn't. There are plenty of studies to show prayer doesn't do fuck all. Don't be thick.

Intercessory prayer may not work as some people would suggest it does but prayer does have a physical and demonstrable effect as does meditation and so on. You can say this is natural effect of some kind but again this is just your opinion without evidence.

[thesummerqueen]

Until you have evidence that it is something else, you're making baseless assertions.

[Sword of Christ]

Until you have evidence that it is something else, you're making baseless assertions.

You can't have that kind evidence for God if God is beyond the physical natural and detectable universe. At most you can detect and observe the interaction between God and the physical universe. You will have to rely on other kinds of evidence and rational reasons to believe in God over the alternative which you can't prove either. God isn't "something extra" but the necessary eternal aspect of existence you will necessarily need for anything to exist in the first place. You have the Creator and you have the creation, the two go together.

[thesummerqueen]

Riiiight.

[shep]

The supreme intelligence and purposeful prime mover who is the foundation of all reality, consciousness and the natural order of everything that exists anywhere that exists.

Where have you ever seen intelligence without a brain?

[Psykhronic]

You can't have that kind evidence for God if God is beyond the physical natural and detectable universe.

And this makes the concept of God a giant waste of time. Cannot prove it, just believe "because believe". Any claim about what is "outside" spacetime cannot be taken seriously.

[The Valkyrie]

Until you have evidence that it is something else, you're making baseless assertions.

You can't have that kind evidence for God if God is beyond the physical natural and detectable universe. At most you can detect and observe the interaction between God and the physical universe. You will have to rely on other kinds of evidence and rational reasons to believe in God over the alternative which you can't prove either. God isn't "something extra" but the necessary eternal aspect of existence you will necessarily need for anything to exist in the first place. You have the Creator and you have the creation, the two go together.

Convenience: How claims of deities are always outside the need to provide evidence for their existence.

[thesummerqueen]

This entire discussion has been a wash of fallacies, never mind the excessive special pleading.

[Sword of Christ]

Riiiight.

It is right, unless you want to say the universe exists for no reason and by pure blind chance/luck it's as complex and finely tuned for life as it is. You may as well say a bomb in a junkyard can create a fully functional Boeing 747 by blind luck, if you set off enough bombs. It is of course something that is completely mad to even suggest.