My Creationist friend

[Minimalist]

Lunacy.

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-noahs-ark.html

2. Gathering the Animals

Bringing all kinds of animals together in the vicinity of the ark presents significant problems.

Could animals have traveled from elsewhere? If the animals traveled from other parts of the world, many of them would have faced extreme difficulties.

* Some, like sloths and penguins, can't travel overland very well at all.
* Some, like koalas and many insects, require a special diet. How did they bring it along?
* Some cave-dwelling arthropods can't survive in less than 100% relative humidity.
* Some, like dodos, must have lived on islands. If they didn't, they would have been easy prey for other animals. When mainland species like rats or pigs are introduced to islands, they drive many indigenous species to extinction. Those species would not have been able to survive such competition if they lived where mainland species could get at them before the Flood.

How did "Noah" manage to get American bison, grizzly bears, kangaroos, Alpacas, African elephants, etc. etc. to the Middle East in time to board and how did he get them back?

There is no stopping an asshole who wants to believe such sheer nonsense.

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Life sucks, TFS.

aw, i feel ya dude. hang in there.

If you want a comparison search out a fundie message board site and see how long they tolerate you no matter how pleasant you are.

[Loki_999]

Also they talk about quite a small number of species. There are millions of species in the world today and probably even more back then considering the amount of damage to our environments and extinctions of species we have caused.

The YECs also have another problem.... dinosaurs.

[Janey]

How did "Noah" manage to get American bison, grizzly bears, kangaroos, Alpacas, African elephants, etc. etc. to the Middle East in time to board and how did he get them back?

This is the explanation for the Kangaroos. Enjoy.

http://objectiveministries.org/creation/kangaroo.html

[leo-rcc]

That was well bad.

[Loki_999]

How did "Noah" manage to get American bison, grizzly bears, kangaroos, Alpacas, African elephants, etc. etc. to the Middle East in time to board and how did he get them back?

This is the explanation for the Kangaroos. Enjoy.

http://objectiveministries.org/creation/kangaroo.html

Blimey.... so continental drift is much faster than we expected! Screw booking holidays in the sun this year. I'll just wait until my country migrates to the equator.... should be there in a few months!

Did you also notice they mentioned velociraptors as being on the ark? So dinosaurs were on the ark as well!!! Wow, that refutes the earlier video who showed how regular animals could have fitted on the ark. Can you imagine the poor bastard who had to feed and clean up after the tyrannosaurs? And where the hell are they all now? I want a Brontosaurus for Christmas!!!


OMFG... it gets better!!!

Satyrs, which many believe to have been strictly demonic in origin due to the goat like features attributed to them by Pagans, were actually a conflation of demons and kangaroos by the ignorant Pagan natives of Greece.

So, the poor ignorant greeks confused Kangaroos with Satyrs because they were ignorant pagans.... not like the highly advanced (*cough*) desert civilization that the Hebrews had at that time.



Some excuse can be made for the sheep who actually believe this tripe, but the people who write it and present it as truth are either highly delusional or highly manipulative and should burn in hell (figuratively speaking of course)

[Thor]

Thank you! I need great ideas like this to throw at them! Do you have any others? Not complicated ones, just ideas that would perhaps make them think. Thanks so much!!

Oh, I have more!

According to the Bible, the FIRST being created by "God" was Adam. This means that there were NO OTHER CREATURES alive on the planet before this deity supposedly created man. And this supposedly took place less than 10,000 years ago. Then how can they account for the plethora of fossilized creatures that we KNOW existed many MILLIONS of years ago? According to these twits, man had to live at the same time as dinosaurs! The stupidity of such a position is beyond absurd. Be prepared for the morons to challenge the accuracy of scientific dating methods. You can then throw at them the fact that a variety of dating methods all agree on the age of fossils, rocks, etc.. Some of these dating methods include:

Potassium-Argon Dating
Argon-Argon Dating
Rubidium-Strontium Dating
Samarium-Neodymium Dating
Lutetium-Hafnium Dating
Rhenium-Osmium Dating
Carbon-14 Dating (and I'll bet your idiot friends think this is the only one)

How could ALL of these dating methods be so horribly inaccurate that they would show things that are only a few thousand years old (if we are to believe the creationist morons) to be many millions of years old? I must also mention that scientific dating places the age of the planet at 4.5 billion years. Your dopey friends believe it is really only 10,000 years. This is on the same scale as our instruments measuring the distance from NY to LA as 3,000 miles and your creationist friends claiming that the actual distsance is only 35 FEET! Need I say more?

[tavarish]

i saw a special on the Creation museum. They propose that downed logs from forests created rafts that animals could ride to their destinations after the floodwaters subsided.

Really.

[Thor]

Found this on Noah and his Ark. Any thoughts?

Thoughts? Yeah, it's a pantload. First of all, whoever made this talks about how many species there are NOW. There were obviously MANY MORE species around at the alleged time of Noah. But let's go with their "estimate" that there were only 50,000 animals on the ark. What they don't address in this video (surprise, surprise) is how only EIGHT people could possibly care for 50,000 animals!

Now, obviously every animal doesn't require care every day. So let's say that, on average, only 20% of the animals are cared for each day. This means that 10,000 animals must be fed, watered and cleaned up after each day. Divide that figure by 8 and each person on the ark is caring for 1,250 animals every day. Now, we assume that each person on the ark has to eat, sleep and care for themselves each day. Let's say this all takes up 10 hours. This leaves 14 hours for each person to care for their 1,250 animals. This means that each person is feeding, watering and cleaning up after 89 animals EVERY HOUR. This is one animal every 40 seconds! Nonstop for 14 hours! Is it realistic to think that a person could keep up a pace like this? And don't forget! This time also includes schlepping the food and water! Not to mention cleaning up waste and disposing of it! THIS IS SIMPLY IMPOSSIBLE!

[Paul the Human]

Right. And that doesn't address the animals that were carnivorous. What, exactly, did those animals eat during that time?

[TheMultiverseTheory]

They underestimated the sea-life equation. There are creatures that can only survive under salt-water conditions, and then there are life-forms only able to thrive in fresh-water conditions. If the entire planet was flooded, this would mean that it was most likely a salt-water planet, with very, very few pockets of inbetweens as can naturally occur. However, being that this is not a natural occurrance, we can safely assume that many of the fresh-water locales would have been utterly tarnished with the flooding of salt water.

The planet's majority source of water is salted, and this can prove to be fatal to those species, large and small, that can only live in fresh-water conditions. Not too mention microbes that would had to have adapted to the change in only a day's time and the plants that would have been utterly eradicated from the planet due to the drowning and lack of sunlight.

Couple this, with the diseases that can easily spread from animal to animal, and the fact that carnivorous animals needed flesh to stay nourished, yet Noah was only allowed two of each species, then you have a recipe for a story that crumbles upon the very scientific details that it so hastily ignores.

Not too mention, rain is formed by the sun's heat which evaporates the water on the planet. This causes the liquid to become a vapor and rise up into the atmosphere, forming clouds. They only fall once the have become too heavy to be sustained by these clouds. Thus the water returns to the Earth.

With that explanation, not a lot of water really falls down during a rain-storm. A lot may be collected through the cycle, but the rain falling is relative to distinct locations. In order for the entire planet to be flooded, it would have to have a period of rain longer than that of 40d40n as told in the Old Testament. Once the planet would be flooded, it would take even longer for volcanos to form the land that would be needed to breach the waters surface. Our landmasses are not young as would be suggested if the Planet had been flooded. And so this obviously obliterated the hypothesis of Noah's Ark.

I won't go into the details of the animals that were not even remotely in the vicinity of the Ark's original location, as we all know how ridiculous the idea is. Even today we are discovering new species, and so I and every logical individual can highly doubt that Noah found all of these species first and somehow miraculously placed them all back in the appropriate habitats.

Any explanation in favor of Noah's Ark is kindegarten Grade at best. They simply do not stand when details are applied to the hypothesis. Thus, Noah's Ark, as we on the forum know, did not happen.