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What are some good checkmate arguments against religion?
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RE: What are some good checkmate arguments against religion?
Difficulty with theodicy is by far the weakest part of most religions but it is also a far cry from conclusive. Likewise the mystery of consciousness is the weakest point for materialistic atheism.
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RE: What are some good checkmate arguments against religion?
(May 23, 2014 at 7:00 pm)ChadWooters Wrote: Difficulty with theodicy is by far the weakest part of most religions but it is also a far cry from conclusive. Likewise the mystery of consciousness is the weakest point for materialistic atheism.

It's as equally weak for theism because you can't demonstrate the alleged truth of any of the answers you supposedly have. Compared to all the other problems of religion, our biggest weakness is just one tiny star in religion's sky of critical and fundamental flaws.
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#13
RE: What are some good checkmate arguments against religion?
(May 23, 2014 at 4:23 pm)MountainsWinAgain Wrote: I'm only familiar with Epicurus saying:

Quote:“Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?”

Are there any more sayings like this? Do you have any of your own arguments?

Thanks in advantage.

Your questions do nothing to disprove the existence of God. All they do is show that God isn't what you think he should be.
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RE: What are some good checkmate arguments against religion?
(May 23, 2014 at 11:41 pm)Lek Wrote: Your questions do nothing to disprove the existence of God. All they do is show that God isn't what you think he should be.

It isn't intended to disprove the existence of your god. What it does, successfully, is disprove the notion that your god is an omnipotent being of pure good.
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RE: What are some good checkmate arguments against religion?
(May 23, 2014 at 4:23 pm)MountainsWinAgain Wrote: Thanks in advantage.

It just bothers me. It should be advance instead of what you used.

(May 23, 2014 at 7:00 pm)ChadWooters Wrote: Likewise the mystery of consciousness is the weakest point for materialistic atheism.

I have no problem in comprehending consciousness. I honestly cannot understand why people get so hung up on it, as though it is the end all.
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RE: What are some good checkmate arguments against religion?
(May 23, 2014 at 6:18 pm)Starvald Demelain Wrote: The Abrahamic religions can be dismissed with a simple hypothetical;

"If God is omniscient, omnipotent, omnipresent, and morally perfect... then why has it not used it's infinite wisdom, and power to find better solutions? Why does it fail to act to protect the innocent if it is literally everywhere? Furthermore, why, if there are such dire consequences to disbelief, is there no evidence for God's existence?"

The Biblical God character died when the last Babylonian Emperor died with the collapse of the Babylonian Empire. There's no invisible (or visible) celestial supernatural being that gives a damn about humans on Earth.
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RE: What are some good checkmate arguments against religion?
(May 23, 2014 at 11:41 pm)Lek Wrote: Your questions do nothing to disprove the existence of God. All they do is show that God isn't what you think he should be.
[emphasis is mine]
Actually, it perfectly refutes what you christers claim he is.
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#18
RE: What are some good checkmate arguments against religion?
(May 23, 2014 at 7:00 pm)ChadWooters Wrote: Likewise the mystery of consciousness is the weakest point for materialistic atheism.

I really don't understand why you're so hot on this one particular argument from ignorance, Chad. Thinking
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What are some good checkmate arguments against religion?
(May 23, 2014 at 7:00 pm)ChadWooters Wrote: Difficulty with theodicy is by far the weakest part of most religions but it is also a far cry from conclusive. Likewise the mystery of consciousness is the weakest point for materialistic atheism.

"Our own doctrine is internally contradictory, but <Supernatural exists>, <Soul exists> because <Argument from Ignorance>"

(May 24, 2014 at 12:33 am)Kitanetos Wrote:
(May 23, 2014 at 4:23 pm)MountainsWinAgain Wrote: Thanks in advantage.

It just bothers me. It should be advance instead of what you used.

(May 23, 2014 at 7:00 pm)ChadWooters Wrote: Likewise the mystery of consciousness is the weakest point for materialistic atheism.

I have no problem in comprehending consciousness. I honestly cannot understand why people get so hung up on it, as though it is the end all.

Or metaphysical. Or rare. Or unique.
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RE: What are some good checkmate arguments against religion?
(May 23, 2014 at 4:23 pm)MountainsWinAgain Wrote: Do you have any of your own arguments?

Thanks in advantage.

Yes. Reality. You're welcome.

(May 23, 2014 at 7:00 pm)ChadWooters Wrote: Difficulty with theodicy is by far the weakest part of most religions but it is also a far cry from conclusive. Likewise the mystery of consciousness is the weakest point for materialistic atheism.

LOL. Sorry but "unexplained" doesn't mean "spiritual," it means unexplained.
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