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RE: Abortion and Women's Rights
June 3, 2014 at 9:11 am
Pretty much this ^
Pro-choice has nothing to do with whether you agree, disagree, or could give a flying fig about abortion. It only has to do with whether or not you think women should be able to choose for themselves, or if the government should make abortion illegal.
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RE: Abortion and Women's Rights
June 3, 2014 at 9:47 am
(June 3, 2014 at 8:36 am)alpha male Wrote: Pot-kettle and such. I received essays in response to the simple yes/no question, Are people who eat meat accessories to murder?
Murder is the unlawful taking of a human life. So, no. Move on.
And get a dictionary.
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RE: Abortion and Women's Rights
June 3, 2014 at 9:58 am
(June 3, 2014 at 9:47 am)Chas Wrote: (June 3, 2014 at 8:36 am)alpha male Wrote: Pot-kettle and such. I received essays in response to the simple yes/no question, Are people who eat meat accessories to murder?
Murder is the unlawful taking of a human life. So, no. Move on.
And get a dictionary.
Chas, if you're not willing to redefine words ad hoc, how are we supposed to shift the goal posts?
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RE: Abortion and Women's Rights
June 3, 2014 at 10:10 am
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(June 3, 2014 at 9:11 am)LostLocke Wrote: Pretty much this ^
Pro-choice has nothing to do with whether you agree, disagree, or could give a flying fig about abortion. It only has to do with whether or not you think women should be able to choose for themselves, or if the government should make abortion illegal. DP seems to think that women shouldn't be allowed to choose abortion after 21 weeks. What does that make him?
(June 3, 2014 at 9:47 am)Chas Wrote: Murder is the unlawful taking of a human life. So, no. Move on.
And get a dictionary. Read the thread, moron. DP makes thought the dividing line, and said that animals have thoughts on par with a human infant. My question is perfectly reasonable in that context.
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RE: Abortion and Women's Rights
June 3, 2014 at 12:49 pm
(June 3, 2014 at 10:10 am)alpha male Wrote: (June 3, 2014 at 9:47 am)Chas Wrote: Murder is the unlawful taking of a human life. So, no. Move on.
And get a dictionary. Read the thread, moron. DP makes thought the dividing line, and said that animals have thoughts on par with a human infant. My question is perfectly reasonable in that context.
No, it isn't, dipshit. Murder has a definition - use it.
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RE: Abortion and Women's Rights
June 3, 2014 at 1:05 pm
DP, do you consider yourself pro-life? That seems to be your position. You just don't think life begins until 21 weeks or so.
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RE: Abortion and Women's Rights
June 3, 2014 at 1:07 pm
(June 3, 2014 at 1:05 pm)alpha male Wrote: DP, do you consider yourself pro-life? That seems to be your position. You just don't think life begins until 21 weeks or so.
Why are you against using the commonly accepted definitions of pro-life and pro-choice?
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RE: Abortion and Women's Rights
June 3, 2014 at 1:51 pm
(June 3, 2014 at 1:07 pm)Losty Wrote: Why are you against using the commonly accepted definitions of pro-life and pro-choice? As we're seeing, they have flaws.
Here's an essay by a pro-choice person noting the same problem with the pro-choice label that I'm noting:
http://groundedparents.com/2014/01/22/tr...hoice-but/
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RE: Abortion and Women's Rights
June 3, 2014 at 1:57 pm
(June 3, 2014 at 1:07 pm)Losty Wrote: (June 3, 2014 at 1:05 pm)alpha male Wrote: DP, do you consider yourself pro-life? That seems to be your position. You just don't think life begins until 21 weeks or so.
Why are you against using the commonly accepted definitions of pro-life and pro-choice?
The discussion has gotten outside of his wheelhouse, but he wants to keep talking.
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RE: Abortion and Women's Rights
June 3, 2014 at 3:02 pm
(June 3, 2014 at 8:36 am)alpha male Wrote: Pot-kettle and such. I received essays in response to the simple yes/no question, Are people who eat meat accessories to murder? I've already answered that question. The answer is "no". Are you ready to drop this red herring now?
Quote:I am not pro-choice by most people's understanding of the term. I necessarily let women decide for themselves as that's been the law of the land for decades.
Ah, so you're pro-life but you won't be bombing any abortion clinics or otherwise taking matters into your own hands. That's good to know but insofar as our discussion on abortion is concerned, this is a distinction without a difference.
So having established that you are pro-life, you recognize that your beliefs about when life begins are completely arbitrary (see your repeated posts about how this is just your opinion) but if you could, your arbitrary whims would be forced on women to make choices for them.
Got it. Why so evasive?
Quote:DP seems to think that women shouldn't be allowed to choose abortion after 21 weeks. What does that make him?
Pro-choice. I don't know of anyone in the pro-choice movement who thinks women should have 3rd trimester abortions on demand. Most women who want abortions (91% of them at last count) get them done in the first trimester.
By the time 21 weeks have passed, the woman has generally decided to have a baby. The only abortions that occur after this point are ones by medical necessity.
I also don't think children should be killed by their parent's whims after they are born though your Bible feels differently.
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