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RE: Nuclear Iran a bigger threat than ISIS
July 21, 2014 at 9:24 am
(This post was last modified: July 21, 2014 at 9:29 am by mralstoner.)
(July 21, 2014 at 8:52 am)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: You seemed to have missed my point, then:
Thump Wrote:While some religious nutbags are present there, even the ruling clerics understand the need to ease the sanctions lest their grip on power go down the shitter.
Now,I'm left to assume that you went to ad homeneim immediately due to lack of a cogent reply; but I've been wrong about people online before, so I'll give you another chance to prove you're capable of an intelligent discussion.
Let's start here. I've lived there, for four years. Have you? As I said, it boils down to prudence v. risk taking. I'm sure many Iranians are thoroughly modern people oppressed by theocracy. But that doesn't mean there aren't 12th Imam lunatics there too. We can't all have personal experience in every country. We have to make a judgment based on 2nd-hand information. And I've heard enough about the Twelvers to err on the side of caution. I can't wait for Israel to act. Bring it on.
And as far as I heard, Obama was/has eased the sanctions without neutering their nuclear program, merely delaying it while Iran fills its pockets with cash. Net result: Iran gets the cash, and later continues on with its nuke program (assuming it really is delaying it). Obama thinks he can negotiate with everyone: The Taliban, Putin, Muslim Brotherhood, China, Hamas, etc. Iran is just the same, they will play Obama for the fool he is.
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RE: Nuclear Iran a bigger threat than ISIS
July 21, 2014 at 9:42 am
(This post was last modified: July 21, 2014 at 9:44 am by The Grand Nudger.)
If you've heard enough second hand info on some group of nutball iranians to make a judgement-you must have heard plenty of 2nd hand info on nutball americans and israelis by now to condemn them for similar reasons.
The president is supposed to think of negotiation and cooperation. He's not a fucking warlord Stoner.....
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RE: Nuclear Iran a bigger threat than ISIS
July 21, 2014 at 10:05 am
(July 21, 2014 at 9:42 am)Rhythm Wrote: The president is supposed to think of negotiation and cooperation. He's not a fucking warlord Stoner..... Negotiation and cooperation is a wonderful principle. I'm all for it. The world rightly begged for it after the cowboy George Bush. But alas, all those powers that I mentioned will not listen to any authority but force.
Obama said "we will extend a hand if you are willing to unclench your fist". All well and good as a Plan A. But the world is full of countries that just want to punch America in the face. And Obama has no Plan B for these types of foes.
Obama is left dumbfounded by these foes. He can't understand why these people keep betraying him. That's why Benghazi happened, because Obama thought Libyans would love him after bombing Gaddafi. He thought the local forces would protect Ambassador Stevens. Obama is a colossal fool. He has no plan b.
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RE: Nuclear Iran a bigger threat than ISIS
July 21, 2014 at 10:59 am
Reading all these conspiracy theorist posts are hilarious.
Please people! Benghazi, 9/11, and ISIS are not CIA cover ups. Middle East is one fucked up area. They really hate us. Political leaders use religion to give the uneducated poor to hate Western Countries.
This is funny how moronic people post about ISIS and Benghazi.
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RE: Nuclear Iran a bigger threat than ISIS
July 21, 2014 at 11:08 am
(July 21, 2014 at 10:05 am)mralstoner Wrote: Obama is a colossal fool. He has no plan b.
What should plan b look like in your opinion?
Sorry if you've already outlined it, I only read back three pages.
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RE: Nuclear Iran a bigger threat than ISIS
July 21, 2014 at 11:53 am
The problem is most people will not know what to do anyways. People who criticize are not qualified themselves.
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RE: Nuclear Iran a bigger threat than ISIS
July 21, 2014 at 1:29 pm
(July 21, 2014 at 11:53 am)Dragonetti Wrote: The problem is most people will not know what to do anyways. People who criticize are not qualified themselves.
Everyone has an opinion on politics I guess.
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RE: Nuclear Iran a bigger threat than ISIS
July 21, 2014 at 1:41 pm
(July 21, 2014 at 10:59 am)Dragonetti Wrote: Middle East is one fucked up area.
Yes.
(July 21, 2014 at 10:59 am)Dragonetti Wrote: They really hate us.
Not all, but many of those who do have good reasons for doing so.
(July 21, 2014 at 10:59 am)Dragonetti Wrote: Political leaders use religion to give the uneducated poor to hate Western Countries.
I think it is the otherway around. Uneducated poor who had reason to hate western countries became easy pickings for religion which exploits the hatred, and political leaders must come along for the ride or else lose their heads.
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RE: Nuclear Iran a bigger threat than ISIS
July 21, 2014 at 1:45 pm
Our political leaders use religion to get the uneducated poor to hate Middle Eastern countries.
And there is no doubt in my mind that American Christians would be blowing up buses full of Arab children if we had Saudi or Iranian troops occupying our soil, trying to displace citizens and controlling our affairs.
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RE: Nuclear Iran a bigger threat than ISIS
July 21, 2014 at 2:56 pm
Is it really prudence to attack Middle Eastern states to stop them from getting the bomb? To trade guaranteed lives lost for possible lives lost? If we could wave a magic want and keep Iran from ever getting nukes, I would advise it. However, we don't have any magic wands, all we have is human means, and they all involve trade-offs. If we want to keep nukes out of the hands of a state determined to get them, there's no way it doesn't cost us dearly.
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