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RE: Real God
October 22, 2014 at 7:17 pm
(October 22, 2014 at 6:20 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: Just like you can detect your identity, believers believe God can be detected spiritually.
Doesn't matter. What believers believe is entirely irrelevant.
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
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RE: Real God
October 22, 2014 at 7:19 pm
(This post was last modified: October 22, 2014 at 7:21 pm by Mystic.)
(October 22, 2014 at 6:55 pm)jesus_wept Wrote: (October 22, 2014 at 6:20 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: Our identity has no tangible form. Even if souls don't exist, what is being made by the mind and the concept of self has no tangible physical form. What we perceive of it and our experience of it is something else entirely even if it is created by a physical components and the brain. God is like an identity except he isn't created by physical components. Just like you can detect your identity, believers believe God can be detected spiritually.
This doesnt really answer my question, unless you're also saying our minds exist in a separate dimension... I do believe our identities exist in a separate dimension (spiritual realm) but that is besides the point I was trying to make. I'm saying God is a disembodied identity. You own detection or concept of yourself is non-material even if it what creates is material. Even if the mind is what creates it and you exist in the mind, the very creation of the identity is non-material. So in the same way you can detect your identity, believers believe God can be detected through faith.
(October 22, 2014 at 7:17 pm)Stimbo Wrote: (October 22, 2014 at 6:20 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: Just like you can detect your identity, believers believe God can be detected spiritually.
Doesn't matter. What believers believe is entirely irrelevant.
We are discussing point of views, he was asking how God would be distinguished from some non-existing being. I was showing the theistic side of it. It doesn't have to be agreed upon or proven, it's just narrating the other side, and is a counter point to the point he was making (seems like it was a rhetorical question).
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RE: Real God
October 23, 2014 at 12:59 am
(October 16, 2014 at 12:58 am)Christian Wrote: God is not what you think He is. He is not a a physical entity that you can feel. He is a force that exists in no tangible form, in a separate dimension.
your argument is flawed. so if he is not tangible then we cannot be created in his own image. in a separate dimension? who and what created that and who created that supposed complex being that is god. It (god) is such a complex being he would need a creator like how you say humans are complex there for god created us. this argument is to flawed.
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RE: Real God
October 23, 2014 at 5:04 am
(This post was last modified: October 23, 2014 at 5:15 am by jesus_wept.)
(October 22, 2014 at 7:19 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: (October 22, 2014 at 6:55 pm)jesus_wept Wrote: This doesnt really answer my question, unless you're also saying our minds exist in a separate dimension... I do believe our identities exist in a separate dimension (spiritual realm) but that is besides the point I was trying to make. I'm saying God is a disembodied identity. You own detection or concept of yourself is non-material even if it what creates is material. Even if the mind is what creates it and you exist in the mind, the very creation of the identity is non-material. So in the same way you can detect your identity, believers believe God can be detected through faith.
You've still not answered my question and have only really redefined what you think god is, again. Given your description of God, how can you tell the difference between your "disembodied entity" and something that only exists in your head (doesn't exist)?
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RE: Real God
October 23, 2014 at 7:27 am
(October 22, 2014 at 6:20 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: (October 22, 2014 at 8:35 am)jesus_wept Wrote: I don't understand, what's the difference between "a force that exists in no tangible form, in a separate dimension" and something that doesn't exist? How can you tell one from the other?
Our identity has no tangible form.
Except as patterns in our brains.
Quote:Even if souls don't exist,
There is no evidence that they do.
Quote:what is being made by the mind and the concept of self has no tangible physical form.
Except as patterns in our brains.
Quote:What we perceive of it and our experience of it is something else entirely even if it is created by a physical components and the brain.
Except there is no evidence of that, nor any hypothesis of how it could be possible.
Quote:God is like an identity except he isn't created by physical components. Just like you can detect your identity, believers believe God can be detected spiritually.
People believe all kinds of nonsense.
Skepticism is not a position; it is an approach to claims.
Science is not a subject, but a method.
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RE: Real God
October 24, 2014 at 12:12 pm
(October 16, 2014 at 12:58 am)Christian Wrote: God is not what you think He is. He is not a a physical entity that you can feel. He is a force that exists in no tangible form, in a separate dimension.
Something that exists in NO tangble form - cannot actually be felt by HUMANS - who do exist in tangible forms.
ANd there is NO proof of another dimension
SO - try again
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RE: Real God
October 24, 2014 at 3:33 pm
(October 16, 2014 at 12:58 am)Christian Wrote: God is not what you think He is. He is not a a physical entity that you can feel. He is a force that exists in no tangible form, in a separate dimension. And pixies:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pixie
Quote:are said to disguise themselves as a bundle of rags to lure children into their play. The pixies of Dartmoor are fond of music and dancing and for riding on Dartmoor colts. These pixies are generally said to be helpful to normal humans, sometimes helping needy widows and others with housework. They are not completely benign however, as they have a reputation for misleading travellers
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RE: Real God
October 28, 2014 at 4:07 am
(This post was last modified: October 28, 2014 at 4:10 am by robvalue.)
The thing that baffles me is that people almost always define god so as to be outside our realm of reality and understanding, yet they know and understand a whole lot about him. This often includes a 100% trust that his motives are pure. I think such a being could deceive us twenty times before breakfast. He could makes us convinced beyond all doubt that he is telling the truth, while lying through his holy ass.
Or the devil killed god long ago and has since been impersonating him. If this is the case and he has fooled everyone into thinking he is god, how could anyone tell the difference? And it would make much more sense if the bible was written by the red dude.
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RE: Real God
October 28, 2014 at 12:40 pm
It is a bit odd to claim he's beyond understanding, yet we can be absolutely sure he's good. Despite doing things that modern audiences would cringe at. although some will be honest and say they might as well worship him because there isn't anything they can do about it. You're either going to heaven, or going to hell. deal with it.
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RE: Real God
October 28, 2014 at 12:50 pm
(October 24, 2014 at 3:33 pm)TreeSapNest Wrote: (October 16, 2014 at 12:58 am)Christian Wrote: God is not what you think He is. He is not a a physical entity that you can feel. He is a force that exists in no tangible form, in a separate dimension. And pixies: Pixies are actually spirits from the planet Mercury.
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