More Questions for Christians

[Drich]

Aren't you over looking a big problem with you assertion minnie?

Whale bones were not whale bones when the desert was the sea floor...

[Mystical]

By the way, fossils of sea critters are found on mountains and whale bones are discovered in a dessert.
How did they get there? And why do you not know about it?

I think the real question is, why are you so ignorant?

[b]The rocks in the Rocky Mountains were formed before the mountains were raised by tectonic forces. The oldest rock is Precambrian metamorphic rock that forms the core of the North American continent. There is also Precambrian sedimentary argillite, dating back to 1.7 billion years ago. During the Paleozoic, western North America lay underneath a shallow sea, which deposited many kilometers of limestone and dolomite.[2]




In the southern Rocky Mountains, near present-day Colorado, these ancestral rocks were disturbed by mountain building approximately 300 Ma, during the Pennsylvanian. This mountain building produced the Ancestral Rocky Mountains. The uplift created two large mountainous islands, known to geologists as Frontrangia and Uncompahgria, located roughly in the current locations of the Front Range and the San Juan Mountains. They consisted largely of Precambrian metamorphic rock, forced upward through layers of the limestone laid down in the shallow sea.[3] The mountains eroded throughout the late Paleozoic and early Mesozoic, leaving extensive deposits of sedimentary rock.



The current southern Rockies were forced upwards through the layers of Pennsylvanian and Permian sedimentary remnants of the Ancestral Rocky Mountains. Such sedimentary remnants were often tilted at steep angles along the flanks of the modern range; they are now visible in many places throughout the Rockies, and are prominently shown along the Dakota Hogback, an early Cretaceous sandstone formation that runs along the eastern flank of the modern Rockies

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geology_o..._Mountains

[Esquilax]

Aren't you over looking a big problem with you assertion minnie?

Whale bones were not whale bones when the desert was the sea floor...

Do things just not die in your world?

[Mystical]

Do you really think a flood of that proportion would leave evidence, the destruction of that magnitude would destroy most if not all evidence. Some believe that because fossils are found in some areas and then not others shows a flood was responsible for putting so many animals in some places and not scattered everywhere, flood tend to do this, even small ones.

GC

Maybe you should, like, read up on the science behind these crackpot theories you take to heart GC. Or just redo third grade.

Since you, Drich, and the crazy professor here have yet to (in your 40-70yr lifespans) read up on the science of fossilization, I will conveniently post it here for you to review and correct yourselves with. It's truly alarming that my 7yr old niece knows more about the earth she lives in, than you do.

(bold added for lazy mind convenience)

Fossil Formation

The Work of Ages
When it comes to fossil formation Permineralization is the most common process for preserving ancient plant and animal material. Common is a relative term when used in regards to fossils. Though there are millions of fossils that have been discovered and millions more waiting to be discovered, fossilization is a rare occurrence.


{image obtained externally from bible science.org for dramatization}




Fossil Formation Is A Rare Occurence
There have been untold billions of creatures that have lived on the planet during the last 550 million years. When conditions on Earth caused mass extinctions, literally thousands, perhaps hundreds-of-thousands of species went extinct. For these species to be preserved, a series of truly fortunate events had to have occurred. If even one of these events failed, that animal or species would never be seen by modern eyes.

Nature Recycles
Because of this, fossilization is actually a rare occurrence. It goes against the laws of nature that favor recycling. Just about everything that exists naturally on the planet, animals, plants, rocks and minerals, are designed to be reused or reformed to support some other species or life-form.

Food For Thought
Let’s narrow it down to animal species for a moment. All animals are designed to be someone else’s lunch. All parts, even the leftover bones, can be consumed by one species or another…right down to the bacteria that decomposes the sturdiest bones and shells. This makes a very bad situation for the formation of fossils. Since every part is designed to be gobbled up, the fossilization process has to happen before someone or something gets a hold of the food!

The Process
In the first step of fossil formation an animal or plant must die in water or near enough to fall in shortly after death. The water insulates the remains from many of the elements that contribute to decomposition. In the following example a trilobite has died of old age on the bottom of the sea. Bacteria consume the soft body parts but leave the hard exoskeleton intact.

Sedimentation
As time passes sediments bury the exoskeleton. The faster this happens the more likely fossilization will occur. Land and mud slides definitely help. River deltas are also good for quick accumulation of sediments. This further insulates our trilobite from decomposition.


The sediments themselves have a huge influence on how well our trilobite fossil turns out. Very fine grained particles, like clays, allow more detail in the future fossil. Course sediments, like sand, allow less detail to show. The chemical make up of the sediments also contributes to the future fossil. If iron is present it may give the rock a reddish color. Phosphates may darken the rock to gray or black. The possibilities are truly endless.

Permineralization
As the sediments continue to pile on, the lower layers become compacted by the weight of the layers on top. Over time, this pressure turns the sediments into rock.


If mineral-rich water percolates down through the sediments, the fossil formation process has an even better chance of preserving our ancient animal. Some of the minerals stick to the particles of sediment, effectively gluing them together into a solid mass. These minerals make an impact on our original trilobite as well. Over the course of millions of years they dissolve away the outer shell, sometimes replacing the molecules of exoskeleton with molecules of calcite or other minerals. In time the entire shell is replaced leaving rock in the exact shape of the trilobite. That is the fossilization process at work.

Uplift
As the continental plates move around the earth, crashing into each other, mountains are formed. Former sea floors are lifted up and become dry land. This is exactly what has happened to our trilobite in the picture below. Now fossil formation is complete but our trilobite is buried under hundreds or even thousands of feet of rock! Thanks to the movement of the plates, our trilobite will come closer to the surface and nearer to discovery by some fortunate fossil hunter. Luckily nothing stays the same.

Erosion at work
Fossil formation is revealed by erosion. Wind, rain, freeze and thaw, even earthquakes will help force the trilobite out of its burial ground and out into the light. If he or she is lucky enough, the trilobite will reveal itself in time to be spotted by a rock-hounder or fossil-digger. Who knows? It could even be YOU!

http://www.fossils-facts-and-finds.com/f...ation.html

[Godscreated]

Who said slavery was ever right even then?

The bible contradicts itself on the issue, as usual.

http://www.openbible.info/topics/slavery

Did you read those verses at the site you posted, many were from the NT and had nothing to do with human slavery. The ones that did did not condone slavery, they stated how Christians who were slaves should conduct themselves as a slave.

GC

[Drich]

To me it's kinda obvious, but maybe you honestly don't see it.

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/chile-fos...ery-solved
The authors of the artical saw it and changed the term whale to marine mammal. However the Washington post specifically identifies Specific species and places the date closer to the time of the ark than the millions of years (200 million years) 'science' says this place was a desert.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/h...story.html

That would mean these Whales and other creatures who the Washington post reports as being found there (who also live thousands of years ago not millions) would have had to die before the Triassic period..
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atacama_Desert

Do you see the problem yet?

[Godscreated]

Do you really think a flood of that proportion would leave evidence, the destruction of that magnitude would destroy most if not all evidence. Some believe that because fossils are found in some areas and then not others shows a flood was responsible for putting so many animals in some places and not scattered everywhere, flood tend to do this, even small ones.

GC

Maybe you should, like, read up on the science behind these crackpot theories you take to heart GC. Or just redo third grade.

Since you, Drich, and the crazy professor here have yet to (in your 40-70yr lifespans) read up on the science of fossilization, I will conveniently post it here for you to review and correct yourselves with. It's truly alarming that my 7yr old niece knows more about the earth she lives in, than you do.

(bold added for lazy mind convenience)

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Fossil Formation

The Work of Ages
When it comes to fossil formation Permineralization is the most common process for preserving ancient plant and animal material. Common is a relative term when used in regards to fossils. Though there are millions of fossils that have been discovered and millions more waiting to be discovered, fossilization is a rare occurrence.


{image obtained externally from bible science.org for dramatization}




Fossil Formation Is A Rare Occurence
There have been untold billions of creatures that have lived on the planet during the last 550 million years. When conditions on Earth caused mass extinctions, literally thousands, perhaps hundreds-of-thousands of species went extinct. For these species to be preserved, a series of truly fortunate events had to have occurred. If even one of these events failed, that animal or species would never be seen by modern eyes.

Nature Recycles
Because of this, fossilization is actually a rare occurrence. It goes against the laws of nature that favor recycling. Just about everything that exists naturally on the planet, animals, plants, rocks and minerals, are designed to be reused or reformed to support some other species or life-form.

Food For Thought
Let’s narrow it down to animal species for a moment. All animals are designed to be someone else’s lunch. All parts, even the leftover bones, can be consumed by one species or another…right down to the bacteria that decomposes the sturdiest bones and shells. This makes a very bad situation for the formation of fossils. Since every part is designed to be gobbled up, the fossilization process has to happen before someone or something gets a hold of the food!

The Process
In the first step of fossil formation an animal or plant must die in water or near enough to fall in shortly after death. The water insulates the remains from many of the elements that contribute to decomposition. In the following example a trilobite has died of old age on the bottom of the sea. Bacteria consume the soft body parts but leave the hard exoskeleton intact.

Sedimentation
As time passes sediments bury the exoskeleton. The faster this happens the more likely fossilization will occur. Land and mud slides definitely help. River deltas are also good for quick accumulation of sediments. This further insulates our trilobite from decomposition.


The sediments themselves have a huge influence on how well our trilobite fossil turns out. Very fine grained particles, like clays, allow more detail in the future fossil. Course sediments, like sand, allow less detail to show. The chemical make up of the sediments also contributes to the future fossil. If iron is present it may give the rock a reddish color. Phosphates may darken the rock to gray or black. The possibilities are truly endless.

Permineralization
As the sediments continue to pile on, the lower layers become compacted by the weight of the layers on top. Over time, this pressure turns the sediments into rock.


If mineral-rich water percolates down through the sediments, the fossil formation process has an even better chance of preserving our ancient animal. Some of the minerals stick to the particles of sediment, effectively gluing them together into a solid mass. These minerals make an impact on our original trilobite as well. Over the course of millions of years they dissolve away the outer shell, sometimes replacing the molecules of exoskeleton with molecules of calcite or other minerals. In time the entire shell is replaced leaving rock in the exact shape of the trilobite. That is the fossilization process at work.

Uplift
As the continental plates move around the earth, crashing into each other, mountains are formed. Former sea floors are lifted up and become dry land. This is exactly what has happened to our trilobite in the picture below. Now fossil formation is complete but our trilobite is buried under hundreds or even thousands of feet of rock! Thanks to the movement of the plates, our trilobite will come closer to the surface and nearer to discovery by some fortunate fossil hunter. Luckily nothing stays the same.

Erosion at work
Fossil formation is revealed by erosion. Wind, rain, freeze and thaw, even earthquakes will help force the trilobite out of its burial ground and out into the light. If he or she is lucky enough, the trilobite will reveal itself in time to be spotted by a rock-hounder or fossil-digger. Who knows? It could even be YOU!

http://www.fossils-facts-and-finds.com/f...ation.html

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Did you explain to your child that a world wide flood meets every detail you posted and actually speeds up the process by depositing all that sediment in a years time. So you see I do not need to correct myself and maybe you need to take a lesson or two from your 7 yr. old. End of discussion.

[Esquilax]

To me it's kinda obvious, but maybe you honestly don't see it.

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/chile-fos...ery-solved
The authors of the artical saw it and changed the term whale to marine mammal. However the Washington post specifically identifies Specific species and places the date closer to the time of the ark than the millions of years (200 million years) 'science' says this place was a desert.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/h...story.html

That would mean these Whales and other creatures who the Washington post reports as being found there (who also live thousands of years ago not millions) would have had to die before the Triassic period..
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atacama_Desert

Do you see the problem yet?

Where are you getting that the animals lived thousands of years ago? It's not in any of the links you gave; you just seem to have asserted it. I don't think you actually understood any of what was said, there.

Maybe just state your point clearly, instead of futzing around and misrepresenting what's in your own links?

[Mystical]

All of this is kind of mute if you guys deny evolution dont you think? Without it, whales would not have evolved from its' terrestrial ancestor Pakicetus. Thanks to genetics we now know hippos are cousins to whales, whom both come from the same ancestor that hooved land animals such as horses and cows do.

The family tree of modern whales and their first cousin, the hippopotamus, showing how the now-extinct anthracotheres are the link between their distant ancestors. (Credit: Jean-Renaud Boisserie/UC Berkeley)

http://www.berkeley.edu/news/media/relea...ppos.shtml

[Mystical]

Did you explain to your child that a world wide flood meets every detail you posted and actually speeds up the process by depositing all that sediment in a years time. So you see I do not need to correct myself and maybe you need to take a lesson or two from your 7 yr. old. End of discussion.

Demonstrate your assertions, then. Should be easy, if it had any basis in reality. All I hear right now is a whole lot of flapping.