christians! Come and convert me!

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@ annatar

He demands murder which makes him guilty by accomplice, unless you defend that assassination contracts are legal binding
He cannot demand murder. Like I said, he can only kill.

Actually there is no difference between your god and allah.. and that element of forgiveness its all over in quran.
Allah is completely different to God.

Islam is just a little bit brutal version of christianity.
Islam is Christianity without the logical conclusion. It's a primitive religion

And what about buddhism?? Actually its way better than both islam and christianity.
Buddhism, like most religions, has something to offer, but again, lacks logical coherence, and is primitive.

anyway tell me, according to bible what happens if I suicide? or what happens if I die as an atheist?
Am I going to hell for eternity or not?
What does that mean do you think? Taking your own life is an act of anti life, and is therefore also anti God. If you die rebelling against life, then that's how you end. Who's to know how that pans out factoring in God? Heaven and Hell are also right here and right now. You either choose life or you don't.

Not all people do bad things, and the bible is clearly authored to have a positive message.

how do you know that? that book is clearly suitable to be abused. why do they wrote it like that than?
and you guys keep telling that bible is not literal. how do you know that? Is there a manual or something tells you not to take bible literally we dont know about?
No manual, yet all Christians agree. It comes from following the information presented. Every point is dealt with countless times on the interwebs for your inspection. there's no excuse for not working it out for yourself.

The point is that being good doesn't get you favour.

I agree

Only God is just. No one else can know enough to be.

I dont agree.
if god was just, being good should get you favour. at least shouldn't get you sorrow..
You're disagreeing with yourself. Doing good things makes no difference to how you should be treated. Goodness is it's own reward, and your reward is "in heaven" ...or in the realm of your spiritual health. That is the reward. Material gain is no gain spiritually.

The point of the story is that people were living unhealthily and the solution of reversing that was by force. By using forgiveness in the form of Christ this is unnecessary. The detail is an exciting story using mass destruction and genocide... it's a story telling mechanism.

dont you think bible encourages people to use mass destruction? by the way that story, noahs ark is taken from sumerian lore. and probably an exaggerated version of a flood which was really happened. Again who tells you to take that stories as metaphors?
No I don't think the bible encourages copycat genocide. Like I said, only God knows absolutely and is therefore the only one equipped to judge. People commit atrocities, and have done throughout history. It doesn't matter if the stories are true or not, what matters most is the point they're trying to get across.

2. Yes God kills, but never murders. This is the distinction. Killing isn't wrong, murder is.

first of all thats a sick idea. and second then tell me if killing isnt wrong what about torturing? It is what happens in hell is it not?
You need to get the just and unjust killing idea. Men cannot torture because they aren't privvy to all of the information, and can never be.

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@ The Omnissiunt One

Well it's very clear what laws Jesus reinterpreted. And those interpretations are all agreed upon. god didn't stop being just in the NT. Jesus demonstrated that. This is no sleigh ride. Ever.

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@ superstarr

you said was that it isn't really unforgivable if you think about it. So what you're telling me, is that God is lieing.
No, God isn't lying. If you study the passage, you'll discover that the cliche "unforgivable sin" is not actually unforgivable. What is written is often mistakenly interpreted.

2. Do you want a list of people God wants to murder? Either way, killing or murdering, it's still taking someone's life forcefully.
-people working on the sabbath
-being Gay
-children or sons cursing theirparents
-those who aren't a virgin in their wedding night
The list goes on and on like the energizer bunny.
Rules of men again superstarr

3. Matthew 5:18 "For truly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass the law until all is accomplished" here, he mentions the OT.
Jesus talks about Gods law, and not man's law.

[superstarr]

1. Really? Explain to me in a throrough sense then since it's not literal. (Of course like usual, anything negative is always told to be supposely misinterpreted.)

2.- Working on the sabbath is clearly one of the commandments form God...
-Again, another of the commandments "honor thy father and mother" cursing isn't showing 'honor'
-And another commandment "don't commit adultery"

God apparently punishes those who go and violate the commandments, and I think you know what that punishment is, he orders them to be killed.

3. Even if that's so, God is violating his own laws, namely the "thou shall not kill" law, which he does violate hundreds of times. And since God did happen to have written/inspired the bible, which includes killing, he still approves of it even if Jesus said something to help interpret it. Even though there is nothing being re-interpreted by Jesus.

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@ annatar

He demands murder which makes him guilty by accomplice, unless you defend that assassination contracts are legal binding
He cannot demand murder. Like I said, he can only kill.

First, I didn't say that. But anyway its a true statement. "But they are not innocent" is not an excuse to killing.
especially when you kill them just becouse they are not thinking like you.

Actually there is no difference between your god and allah.. and that element of forgiveness its all over in quran.
Allah is completely different to God.

Read quran you will be suprised how close allah to your god..

Islam is just a little bit brutal version of christianity.
Islam is Christianity without the logical conclusion. It's a primitive religion

Nope islam is Christianity(actually judaism) modified by muhammed's self-interests.

And what about buddhism?? Actually its way better than both islam and christianity.
Buddhism, like most religions, has something to offer, but again, lacks logical coherence, and is primitive.

what makes christianity modern? I dont get it. If you wanna choose a modern religion try pastafarianism its modern then any other religion more tolerant it has everything you need.

anyway tell me, according to bible what happens if I suicide? or what happens if I die as an atheist?
Am I going to hell for eternity or not?
What does that mean do you think? Taking your own life is an act of anti life, and is therefore also anti God. If you die rebelling against life, then that's how you end. Who's to know how that pans out factoring in God? Heaven and Hell are also right here and right now. You either choose life or you don't.

hehe "Heaven and Hell are also right here and right now." reminds me a line form the movie constantine
but this question is about your claim forgiveness of christianity.. tell me what happens if I die as a atheist? or if I suicide?(after i die i will repent) Am I going to hell or not. yes or no please.

Not all people do bad things, and the bible is clearly authored to have a positive message.
how do you know that? that book is clearly suitable to be abused. why do they wrote it like that than?
and you guys keep telling that bible is not literal. how do you know that? Is there a manual or something tells you not to take bible literally we dont know about?
No manual, yet all Christians agree. It comes from following the information presented. Every point is dealt with countless times on the interwebs for your inspection. there's no excuse for not working it out for yourself.

so you read bible and thought"its too absurd and therefor it must be a metaphor?" Is that it?I am sorry but its just a way out for you to keep believing this nonsense. What about people who wrote that book what do you think they did? did they take that words as metaphors like you or did they followed it by letter?

The point is that being good doesn't get you favour.

I agree

Only God is just. No one else can know enough to be.

I dont agree.
if god was just, being good should get you favour. at least shouldn't get you sorrow..
You're disagreeing with yourself. Doing good things makes no difference to how you should be treated. Goodness is it's own reward, and your reward is "in heaven" ...or in the realm of your spiritual health. That is the reward. Material gain is no gain spiritually.

First of all that story's message is clear: You cannot question god! its simple he can give you and he can take it back. You must be blind for not to see this. But you are the one who disagreeing with yourself by saying "god is just" and "being good doesn't get you favour."
is there any other defination of justice I don't know about?? In that story the man called job constantly punished by god for no reason. well there is a reason but it makes it worse becouse that reason is god bet against satan. And that contradicts with god being just thing.. If your god exists he isn't just. Look at the world, it happens all the times. We dont need the story of job. Good people are dying tormenting suffering all over the world. And if I were god I wouldn't let it. I believe you wouldn't either. so where is justice in this?

The point of the story is that people were living unhealthily and the solution of reversing that was by force. By using forgiveness in the form of Christ this is unnecessary. The detail is an exciting story using mass destruction and genocide... it's a story telling mechanism.

dont you think bible encourages people to use mass destruction? by the way that story, noahs ark is taken from sumerian lore. and probably an exaggerated version of a flood which was really happened. Again who tells you to take that stories as metaphors?
No I don't think the bible encourages copycat genocide. Like I said, only God knows absolutely and is therefore the only one equipped to judge. People commit atrocities, and have done throughout history. It doesn't matter if the stories are true or not, what matters most is the point they're trying to get across.

Again if I were god I would sent couple of angels down there and rehabilitate them instead of killing them.
I would declare "holy martial laws" I wouldn't kill anyone but restore them. Your god couldn't do that? Isn't he capable of doing everything? or is he too proud to deal with humans nicely? Here is a solution to fix corruption. You don't need a bloodshed.

2. Yes God kills, but never murders. This is the distinction. Killing isn't wrong, murder is.

first of all thats a sick idea. and second then tell me if killing isnt wrong what about torturing? It is what happens in hell is it not?
You need to get the just and unjust killing idea. Men cannot torture because they aren't privvy to all of the information, and can never be.

In my book killing someone can never be just and torturing someone isnt fit for any crime! have you ever read the Universal declaration of human rights
And think about it, My crime: not believing holy asshole. (and calling him holy asshole) punishment: torment for eternity.
Pastor x's crime: pedophilia punishment: none becouse he repented everytime after he raped childs..
And this is what you called justice? You are not from planet earh I guess. or maybe I am not..

[Godhead]

Annatar -

I'm not a christian but if you like, I could try to convert you to atheism in general. I don't personally mind if people don't believe in god but just for the challenge and a bit of fun, I could try. Why don't you believe in god, and what do you think god is and does (if it exists)? In other words what's your concept of god?