christians! Come and convert me!

[Minimalist]

John 3:16 For god so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son that who so ever believe in Him should not perish but have ever lasting life.

And idiots have been falling for such absurd bullshit ever since. Really, can you not see what an asshole you look like when you say such things?

[tavarish]

I do study some material written by nonbelievers and try to keep up with what's new on the evolution front not that I believe any of it I'm trying to learn all the time.

Yes, those crazy science books trying to get you to understand facts about reality. Who needs that, right?

I'm pretty convinced that you don't have a working concept of what evolution actually is, if you're making a statement like "I don't believe". For some reason I find you to be a person who thinks evolution is a dog turning into a duck or something.

Believing in evolution is like believing in gravity. Please open up a biology book and read very, very carefully. It might get confusing because there's no mention of your God, but you will learn something if you stay with it.

[superstarr]

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No superstarr you sound nothing like a christian like I said before you have no understanding of the scriptures.
annatar you can't deal for your salvation because salvation is a gift of Grace to be received. If you could deal for it you would have to make the deal with God, salvation is His and His alone to give, so making a deal with christians will do you no good. Apparently you are not being move by the Holy Spirit by the way you've presented yourself and this means you will not be receptive to the replies you might receive. This type of post has been presented before and the best that I can remember no christians responded. Why should we open ourselves to judgment when all you are trying to do is play games.

Salvation is achieved by works and accepting Jesus as your savior. Since your mind is already CLOSED, you should leave or find yourself an OPEN mind.

Chasm John 3:16 For god so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son that who so ever believe in Him should not perish but have ever lasting life. Where does this say anything about works and there are many more such statements. If you are going to make statements about the scriptures please do so correctly. I know and understand what I believe and that does not make me closed minded.
I do study some material written by nonbelievers and try to keep up with what's new on the evolution front not that I believe any of it I'm trying to learn all the time.

So, what John 3:16 is clearly saying, is that 60-70% of the people on Earth will perish then. What kind of a "perfect" God would kill over half of his own creation? Anger issues I presume?

Not closed are you? Well, why don't you simply accept other religions and beliefs then like how you accept Christianity?

And as for Evolution, it's not about whether you believe in it or not. It's about knowing and understanding Evolution and what it tells us about the history of humanity, in REALITY and in the NATURAL world. Your beliefs deal with the supernatural, which is correct me if I'm wrong, not what is reality or what is the natural world as we study and observe it.

[annatar]

I said you can convert me and you came up with "i believe becouse i have faith." Guys you are not even close to convert me. Your reasons are not reasonable
Your book wasn't written by jesus. it was written by some people who didnt actually met jesus... It has so many elements in other religions (especially pagans.)
And you still believe its god's words.. Have you ever considered the possibility of you being fooled by those people who wrote bible?
I will ask something else.. lets assume there is a god and jesus. why do you believe bible is the words of god? Read this carefully Im not questioning your god. Just questioning your book. Bring me some evidence that bible is truly Jesus' and therefor god's words. And when I said evidence i mean evidence(historical etc.. no need miracles..) not faith!
C'moon its my soul at stake!!

[superstarr]

I said you can convert me and you came up with "i believe becouse i have faith." Guys you are not even close to convert me. Your reasons are not reasonable
Your book wasn't written by jesus. it was written by some people who didnt actually met jesus... It has so many elements in other religions (especially pagans.)
And you still believe its god's words.. Have you ever considered the possibility of you being fooled by those people who wrote bible?
I will ask something else.. lets assume there is a god and jesus. why do you believe bible is the words of god? Read this carefully Im not questioning your god. Just questioning your book. Bring me some evidence that bible is truly Jesus' and therefor god's words. And when I said evidence i mean evidence(historical etc.. no need miracles..) not faith!
C'moon its my soul at stake!!

What I think he was trying to get at you, was to think of faith and how it somehow is more than its definition. The definition of Faith is "religious belief" or in simple terms, a belief in religion. Basically, he thinks that faith is more than just a belief because of how Jesus explains it in the bible. I wonder why the Christians haven't fought with the dictionary yet. XD

[fr0d0]

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I said you can convert me and you came up with "i believe becouse i have faith." Guys you are not even close to convert me. Your reasons are not reasonable
Your book wasn't written by jesus. it was written by some people who didnt actually met jesus... It has so many elements in other religions (especially pagans.)
And you still believe its god's words.. Have you ever considered the possibility of you being fooled by those people who wrote bible?
I will ask something else.. lets assume there is a god and jesus. why do you believe bible is the words of god? Read this carefully Im not questioning your god. Just questioning your book. Bring me some evidence that bible is truly Jesus' and therefor god's words. And when I said evidence i mean evidence(historical etc.. no need miracles..) not faith!
C'moon its my soul at stake!!

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It takes you 8 days to reply to your own thread and then you don't address any points. Nice.

[Minimalist]

Look at it this way, Frodo. He gave you 8 days and all you could come with was:

"i believe becouse i have faith."

For a bunch that believes that their god made the world in 6 days that's pretty sad.

[annatar]

It takes you 8 days to reply to your own thread and then you don't address any points. Nice.

Well I wasn't able to reply for 8 days and sorry for that. But as minimalist cleverly pointed out, all you could came up in this 8 days was faith based arguments. I didnt want scientific proofs. there is no need for a proof to believe a philosophical approach but convincible arguments.
Anyway are you going to answer my question frodo? You are telling that you are sceptic. then tell me how do you know that bible is truly jesus' words? Show me some evidence about it. Please answer my late reply...

[superstarr]

It takes you 8 days to reply to your own thread and then you don't address any points. Nice.

Well I wasn't able to reply for 8 days and sorry for that. But as minimalist cleverly pointed out, all you could came up in this 8 days was faith based arguments. I didnt want scientific proofs. there is no need for a proof to believe a philosophical approach but convincible arguments.
Anyway are you going to answer my question frodo? You are telling that you are sceptic. then tell me how do you know that bible is truly jesus' words? Show me some evidence about it. Please answer my late reply...

It's more of God's word than Jesus' word according to Christians. Those Christians don't understand that if God is indeed perfect, and if he indeed wrote the bible, then why make a book filled with contradictions. Contradictions make a book far from perfect. And remember, they don't care about evidence, all they care about is a wrongly used word named Faith.

[fr0d0]

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It takes you 8 days to reply to your own thread and then you don't address any points. Nice.

Well I wasn't able to reply for 8 days and sorry for that. But as minimalist cleverly pointed out, all you could came up in this 8 days was faith based arguments. I didnt want scientific proofs. there is no need for a proof to believe a philosophical approach but convincible arguments.
Anyway are you going to answer my question frodo? You are telling that you are sceptic. then tell me how do you know that bible is truly jesus' words? Show me some evidence about it. Please answer my late reply...

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I understand you had reason to be absent annatar. I don't understand your blindness to the answer I already gave above in post #8