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RE: I was lost but now Im found
December 13, 2014 at 10:52 pm
(December 12, 2014 at 12:27 am)tonyintheLight Wrote: (December 12, 2014 at 12:22 am)Tombochan Wrote: You are merely citing scripture again and we here give it little or no credence. Try again.
What is it about evolutionary science(s) that you find unconvincing?
Ive already mentioned in previous posts. I dont believe something can be created out of nothing. All things point back to a divine creator.
But you do believe something came from nothing, else where did your god come from? Did he always exist? In that case why save a step and say the universe always existed, after that conclusion is more supported and simpler then adding in god.
To-morrow, and to-morrow, and to-morrow,
Creeps in this petty pace from day to day,
To the last syllable of recorded time;
And all our yesterdays have lighted fools
The way to dusty death. Out, out, brief candle!
Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player,
That struts and frets his hour upon the stage,
And then is heard no more. It is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing.
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RE: I was lost but now Im found
December 13, 2014 at 10:52 pm
(December 13, 2014 at 10:39 pm)Spooky Wrote: (December 13, 2014 at 10:34 pm)tonyintheLight Wrote: God has purified His word throughout History(Psa12:6-7). The purification of Gods word involved 7 languages- Hebrew, Greek, Aramaic, Old Syriac, Old Latin, Old German and the Kings English.
The kings English is the 7th translation. If you're familiar with biblical numerics you will know that 7 is the perfect number.The KJV is the perfect book.
Hmm... You'll have to tell the Mormons that they have it wrong. Seeing as they have 8 as the age of accountability. Plus, even numbers are less awkward. I thought 33 was the perfect number? You know, the age that Jesus died at. And if we grant that God is perfect, and so must his word be, why does it require "Purification"? Also, still waiting for you to point out that hint.
Edit: Sir, it's starting to look like you brought a balloon to a needle fight.
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God has decided to reveal more light to the Gentiles through the English translation then the original hebrew and greek. Why would God reveal more light to us then from the languages of hebrew and greek? God through His foreknowledge knew that the Jews would reject their Messiah,Jesus Christ.
This is my belief.
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RE: I was lost but now Im found
December 13, 2014 at 10:55 pm
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(December 13, 2014 at 10:34 pm)tonyintheLight Wrote: (December 13, 2014 at 10:18 pm)StealthySkeptic Wrote: So an English translation thousands of years removed from the Hebrew/Aramaic source is somehow the perfect version of the Bible? My friend, your life is a maze of contradictions.
God has purified His word throughout History(Psa12:6-7). The purification of Gods word involved 7 languages- Hebrew, Greek, Aramaic, Old Syriac, Old Latin, Old German and the Kings English.
The kings English is the 7th translation. If you're familiar with biblical numerics you will know that 7 is the perfect number.The KJV is the perfect book.
Hmmm, I'd like to know how you got to seven. English isn't the only language the Bible was translated into and I'm pretty sure the Germans' seventh translation doesn't agree with the KJV. Nor are the languages you listed the only seven the Bible's been translated into, and . . . wait a minute. . . you don't really believe it's best because it's the seventh one?  Is it really possible to be that superstitiously stupid?
If there is a god, I want to believe that there is a god. If there is not a god, I want to believe that there is no god.
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RE: I was lost but now Im found
December 13, 2014 at 10:57 pm
(December 13, 2014 at 10:52 pm)tonyintheLight Wrote: God through His foreknowledge knew that the Jews would reject their Messiah,Jesus Christ.
This is my belief.
Your lack of knowledge regarding the book you revere is appalling. How can you refer to yourself as a real christian?
According to the bible, the Jews did not accept Jesus as their savior because he was not their savior. It states quite plainly in the bible that the Jews were waiting for their sword wielding savior, whereas Jesus came to spread peace, acceptance, understanding, and love. The savior of the Jews was a warrior, and Jesus was not that.
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RE: I was lost but now Im found
December 13, 2014 at 10:57 pm
(December 13, 2014 at 10:42 pm)tonyintheLight Wrote: (December 13, 2014 at 10:29 pm)Spooky Wrote: Can you tell us how god communicated the fact that 1611 KJV is the correct one?
Yes see previous post.
Okay. Now, can you prove it? Any of it?
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RE: I was lost but now Im found
December 13, 2014 at 10:58 pm
(December 13, 2014 at 10:52 pm)tonyintheLight Wrote: (December 13, 2014 at 10:39 pm)Spooky Wrote: Hmm... You'll have to tell the Mormons that they have it wrong. Seeing as they have 8 as the age of accountability. Plus, even numbers are less awkward. I thought 33 was the perfect number? You know, the age that Jesus died at. And if we grant that God is perfect, and so must his word be, why does it require "Purification"? Also, still waiting for you to point out that hint.
Edit: Sir, it's starting to look like you brought a balloon to a needle fight.
Edit #2: For fun:
God has decided to reveal more light to the Gentiles through the English translation then the original hebrew and greek. Why would God reveal more light to us then from the languages of hebrew and greek? God through His foreknowledge knew that the Jews would reject their Messiah,Jesus Christ.
This is my belief.
1. You still haven't answered my "Gap Theory" question.
2. The theory above requires imperfection, omission, or just plain luck in translation for "More to be revealed". And frankly it's kind of arrogant.
3. You remind me somewhat of this:
I reject your reality and substitute my own!
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RE: I was lost but now Im found
December 13, 2014 at 10:58 pm
It's great that you have a belief, Tony. Now justify it.
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
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RE: I was lost but now Im found
December 13, 2014 at 11:00 pm
Also unresolved:
All Christians prior to 1611 were heretics.
How god has revealed himself further.
And I'm still wondering about Jericho and Sumer.
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RE: I was lost but now Im found
December 13, 2014 at 11:04 pm
(December 13, 2014 at 10:52 pm)tonyintheLight Wrote: (December 13, 2014 at 10:39 pm)Spooky Wrote: Hmm... You'll have to tell the Mormons that they have it wrong. Seeing as they have 8 as the age of accountability. Plus, even numbers are less awkward. I thought 33 was the perfect number? You know, the age that Jesus died at. And if we grant that God is perfect, and so must his word be, why does it require "Purification"? Also, still waiting for you to point out that hint.
Edit: Sir, it's starting to look like you brought a balloon to a needle fight.
Edit #2: For fun:
God has decided to reveal more light to the Gentiles through the English translation then the original hebrew and greek. Why would God reveal more light to us then from the languages of hebrew and greek? God through His foreknowledge knew that the Jews would reject their Messiah,Jesus Christ.
This is my belief.
Not to say your belief is wrong but ill say the religion is. For one if the bible is true like some will argue that it is. Why is it that when scientists and archaeologists who go in and look for evidence for you guys they come up with nothing but more truth against the bible. Like the key thing with the bible contradictions. Noahs ark a boat that big would destroy itself when sailing and Noah could not get every single animal in the world on it but only 2 animals each of that region had to offer.
Psa 12:6,7 - are you kidding me?
The words of the LORD [are] pure words: [as] silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times. Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever.
God has failed to preserve his message. He has allowed careless human errors and fallacious mortal doctrine to tarnish his divine message. Psalms lies. That means that, if the Bible is God's word, then God himself has lied.
I'm sure you are a good loyal Christian. Don't you deserve a sufficient holy book? A followable doctrine? A God who keeps his promises?
Atheism is a non-prophet organization join today.
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RE: I was lost but now Im found
December 13, 2014 at 11:04 pm
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(December 13, 2014 at 10:45 pm)Spooky Wrote: (December 13, 2014 at 10:42 pm)tonyintheLight Wrote: Yes see previous post.
6 The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times.
7 Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever.
If my grasp of the queens english is as good as I think it is (it is), that seems to only compare the word to a standard purity for metal. Doesn't seem to suggest it applies to the word itself.
And are you going to point out the hint for your gap theory?
Edit: This I think actually answers my previous question about why god's word needed purification. It doesn't. You should have been all over that. Still creates an issue with this being evidence for your "particular version theory".
Silver in the bible represents the word(see prov 10:20 with psal12:6-7)
The gap theory can be placed between verses Gen1:1 and 1:2. Its something that I havnt studied in depth but it certainly holds a lot of weight because God does skip time periods between certain verses in the Bible.
(December 13, 2014 at 10:52 pm)Lemonvariable72 Wrote: (December 12, 2014 at 12:27 am)tonyintheLight Wrote: Ive already mentioned in previous posts. I dont believe something can be created out of nothing. All things point back to a divine creator.
But you do believe something came from nothing, else where did your god come from? Did he always exist? In that case why save a step and say the universe always existed, after that conclusion is more supported and simpler then adding in god.
God defined Himself in scripture as I AM (Exo 3:14).
The Lord chose perfect english to define Himself with 2 simple words:
I AM.
God is present tense. God is past, present and future.
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