Suicide

[Drich]

Firefighters do not go into a fire with the intention of dying. A soldier does not go into battle with the intention of dying. A cop does not do their job with the intention of dying.

If that were remotely true then why rush into the second tower after the first collapsed? They knew that they stood on death's door, and going into that tower they knew not everyone was going home. The same is true for the soldier everytime he goes into battle and the cop when he goes to work.

They like Christ may not want to die (as per His prayer in the garden of gesamane before his capture) but they all do their duty when push came to shove.

That said I noticed you strawman'ed your way to a point by deleting the mother I started my example with and replaced her with a cop. Do you not understand when you have to change the value of my arguement to make your's work, that means your arguement is not valid? There is a reason I lead with a mother and her Child, because The Same love that is shown there is the same type of Love that has Christ submit to being nailed on a cross.

[Aoi Magi]

If the firefighter set the building on fire himself, then decided to go in and help the people after it has already burned for a while, and then willingly died in the fire he himself started, then yes that is still suicide (along with homicide).

But wait, if you are gonna equate this to the biblical scenario, then the firefighter would just go in the front door, get to the people and say "Yo dudes, I just remembered I've got some chores back home I need to do before rescuing you. Now don't try to get out or trust anyone else to help you. I can't say when, but I'll definitely come back to rescue you all at some point so just stay put in this burning place. Cya!"

[robvalue]

What you have to understand is that sometimes, as a parent, you gotta get a bunch of guys to nail you to some wood. How else will your kids know you love them?

[Drich]

Uhh, what?

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What you have to understand is that sometimes, as a parent, you gotta get a bunch of guys to nail you to some wood. How else will your kids know you love them?

Indeed, but only if those retards know that you are getting nailed to wood in place of them.

[IATIA]

No matter how you twist and contort it, death is not the intended outcome of any public safety scenario. It may, on occasion, be the result, but not the intention.

I work with public safety and have yet to meet any that say, "I hope I get to run into a burning building today" or "I hope I get to engage in a gun fight today". They all dread the possibility and do their best to come out alive if the situation presents itself.

Even a secret service agent that throws himself between a bullet and the president is not intending to die.

[Cyberman]

Indeed, but only if those retards know that you are getting nailed to wood in place of them.

You're being very harsh to your fellow faithful, Drich.

[robvalue]

Excuse me sir, you don't look anything like the photo in your passport.

No, you see, that's one of the other "me"s.

Very good sir, come this way please.

[Brakeman]

If soldier throws a hand grenade into a room full of orphans and then jumps on the grenade thereby saving one or two from the blast, is he a loving hero who sacrificed all or a horrible psychopath?

Jesus' so called "sacrifice" to himself will still send most to hell. Very very few does it save even in his book.

[robvalue]

If his father is handing out the medals, he's a hero.

[Godscreated]

The simple thing here is Christ gave His life for others and that by definition is not suicide, it's an act of real love, something the atheist here have a very hard time understanding. You all are laying out the proof in your post to Drich.

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