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January 12, 2015 at 11:42 pm
(January 12, 2015 at 11:40 pm)Drich Wrote: Is it your belief that the Mormon view of Christ stops at what you have outlined here?
How is that any different from your belief that the scriptures skip the old testament?
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January 12, 2015 at 11:47 pm
(January 12, 2015 at 11:42 pm)Esquilax Wrote: (January 12, 2015 at 11:40 pm)Drich Wrote: Is it your belief that the Mormon view of Christ stops at what you have outlined here?
How is that any different from your belief that the scriptures skip the old testament?
Where do I skip the OT? Do you mean where the NT seperates OT Judaism and NT Christianity? Why is it so hard to understand the bible represents two different religions? One of which is all but dead, and not even practiced by contemporary jews.
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January 12, 2015 at 11:49 pm
Drich, I realize that some Mormon beliefs are strange but they believe Jesus is the son of god. I could understand your point if they believed Jesus was just another guy but they believe he was divine also.
Why don't you explain to us what you consider the most essential beliefs someone must hold to be Christian?
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January 12, 2015 at 11:56 pm
(January 12, 2015 at 11:47 pm)Drich Wrote: Why is it so hard to understand the bible represents two different religions?
Really now? I wasn't aware that (1) an old religion was giving prophecies for a completely different and newer religion, and that (2) the genealogy (which is a shameful mess) would be connecting two masses of people with completely different takes of God, since they're from two different religions.
Conceding that the Bible contains two religions has got to be your worst confession to date.
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January 12, 2015 at 11:58 pm
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(January 12, 2015 at 11:20 pm)Drich Wrote: Somehow I invisioned a list of 40,000 denominations to be... Idk, longer for some reason.
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Do you want the guys fingers to fall off from typing?
Which of the denominations that Pappy listed do you believe follow the correct form of Christianity?
(January 12, 2015 at 11:56 pm)FallentoReason Wrote: (January 12, 2015 at 11:47 pm)Drich Wrote: Why is it so hard to understand the bible represents two different religions?
Really now? I wasn't aware that (1) an old religion was giving prophecies for a completely different and newer religion, and that (2) the genealogy (which is a shameful mess) would be connecting two masses of people with completely different takes of God, since they're from two different religions.
Conceding that the Bible contains two religions has got to be your worst confession to date.
Bible verses about god's unchanging nature
Malachi 3
6"For I, the LORD, do not change; therefore you, O sons of Jacob, are not consumed.
James 1:17
Every good and perfect gift is from above, coming down from the Father of the heavenly lights, who does not change like shifting shadows.
Numbers 23:19
God is not human, that he should lie, not a human being, that he should change his mind. Does he speak and then not act? Does he promise and not fulfill?
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January 13, 2015 at 12:04 am
(January 12, 2015 at 11:47 pm)Drich Wrote: Where do I skip the OT? Do you mean where the NT seperates OT Judaism and NT Christianity? Why is it so hard to understand the bible represents two different religions?
Well, maybe it's all the bits where Jesus said he came not to replace the law, but to fulfill it, and that not a bit of it would change until all had come to pass? You know, the stuff you just interpret to mean the opposite of what it means, and justify that interpretation with nothing? Maybe that's why it's so hard to understand, because it appears as though you'd just invented the idea out of whole cloth to spare yourself the embarrassment of having to follow old testament law? Well, I say invent, but what I really mean is "regurgitate," because the idea of you coming up with some new idea, instead of just rehashing the warmed over remnants of apologetics past is simply laughable.
If you're going to continue with this unjustified charade, would you at least be consistent about it? Like, not just cherry pick the parts of the old testament you like, like the ten commandments, while hucking the rest?
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January 13, 2015 at 5:11 am
Quote:Your example is exactly my point. Mormons don't even believe in the God of the bible, or the Jesus Christ outlined in the bible yet somehow they are christian, so why not you too? If you're a christian who doesn't believe in God then why can't I be an theist who does? Why do the rules only work in favor of your club?
I apologize sincerely, Drich, for my callous insensitivity. I didn't realize that there was a sarcasm appreciation shortage where you live. Let me make a few calls. I'm sure I can arrange for some infusions of Twain, Carlin, and Lewis Black to help alleviate this terrible situation.
Try to hang on - I'm doing what I can to help.
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January 13, 2015 at 6:28 am
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(January 12, 2015 at 3:44 pm)Simon Moon Wrote: Well, this makes about as much sense as the majority of your posts.
So, keep up the, ah...good work, I guess.
By the way, since when is atheism a faith?
Gnostic atheism might apply.
Ehh, maybe. Not sure if there's dogma to it... faith as a noun is just a headache.
(January 12, 2015 at 3:53 pm)LastPoet Wrote: Apart from the fact that you can't love something that doesn't exist, are you being extra stupid on purpose, Drich?
Well, everything exists, so.... etc etc ad whatever...
My heart's just not in it today.
(January 12, 2015 at 3:47 pm)Rhythm Wrote: Meh, no fucks are given, have at it. You can identify yourself as Shirley, and I doubt anyone would care.
Yeah. I've got no problem with 'God loving atheist'. It can be oxymoronic all it likes... but if he wants to be called by it: i've no reason to not. 
But... if he starts calling himself 'Master'... 
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January 13, 2015 at 8:15 am
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(January 12, 2015 at 11:49 pm)Nope Wrote: Drich, I realize that some Mormon beliefs are strange but they believe Jesus is the son of god. I could understand your point if they believed Jesus was just another guy but they believe he was divine also.
Why don't you explain to us what you consider the most essential beliefs someone must hold to be Christian?
THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT THEY BELEIEVE!! Jesus and God at one time we're just regular guys! That they were honorable/righteous before their own God 'in the time before' and they were awarded earth to be God over themselves!
In fact we all are literal children of God and his muslim like haram of women and concubines just like Jesus is. And if we are good Mormons we too will get our own haram and our own planet to rule over and populate!
(Unless your a woman that is, in Joseph Smith's orginal version)
So tell me again how that is Christianity.
(January 13, 2015 at 5:11 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Quote:Your example is exactly my point. Mormons don't even believe in the God of the bible, or the Jesus Christ outlined in the bible yet somehow they are christian, so why not you too? If you're a christian who doesn't believe in God then why can't I be an theist who does? Why do the rules only work in favor of your club?
I apologize sincerely, Drich, for my callous insensitivity. I didn't realize that there was a sarcasm appreciation shortage where you live. Let me make a few calls. I'm sure I can arrange for some infusions of Twain, Carlin, and Lewis Black to help alleviate this terrible situation.
Try to hang on - I'm doing what I can to help.
Boru Yes do that because sarcasm reads so well in a sea of predictable posts.
(January 13, 2015 at 12:04 am)Esquilax Wrote: (January 12, 2015 at 11:47 pm)Drich Wrote: Where do I skip the OT? Do you mean where the NT seperates OT Judaism and NT Christianity? Why is it so hard to understand the bible represents two different religions?
Well, maybe it's all the bits where Jesus said he came not to replace the law, but to fulfill it, and that not a bit of it would change until all had come to pass? You know, the stuff you just interpret to mean the opposite of what it means, and justify that interpretation with nothing? Maybe that's why it's so hard to understand, because it appears as though you'd just invented the idea out of whole cloth to spare yourself the embarrassment of having to follow old testament law? Well, I say invent, but what I really mean is "regurgitate," because the idea of you coming up with some new idea, instead of just rehashing the warmed over remnants of apologetics past is simply laughable.
If you're going to continue with this unjustified charade, would you at least be consistent about it? Like, not just cherry pick the parts of the old testament you like, like the ten commandments, while hucking the rest?
What do you understand the word "full fill" means in the context Jesus used?
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RE: You all convinced me, I'm now an Atheist!!!
January 13, 2015 at 8:28 am
(January 12, 2015 at 11:47 pm)Drich Wrote: (January 12, 2015 at 11:42 pm)Esquilax Wrote: How is that any different from your belief that the scriptures skip the old testament?
Where do I skip the OT? Do you mean where the NT seperates OT Judaism and NT Christianity? Why is it so hard to understand the bible represents two different religions? One of which is all but dead, and not even practiced by contemporary jews.
You seem to poo poo gods inspired word in the book of proverbs.
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