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The crucifixion of jesus and why it doesn't matter
#11
RE: The crucifixion of jesus and why it doesn't matter
Yeah, if they get time to say, "sorry about that", can't atheists use that time to say, "Ok you do exist. Sorry I used the brain you gave me."
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#12
RE: The crucifixion of jesus and why it doesn't matter
(January 27, 2015 at 11:07 pm)dyresand Wrote: Lets put it into perspective. God essentially fuck up when "creating" us.
That's really the crux of it. It's enough of a problem for Christians that they have to place responsibility for it on someone else, even though it goes against the way we consider responsibility and liability in every other walk of life. In any other facet of our lives, you are responsible and liable for the work you do. When it comes to god, the work is responsible for itself and god is the 'good guy' for cleaning up someone's else's mess.

And the only explanation is to repeat the claim, because there is no explanation. It's the equivalent of a battered wife who explains that her bruises are her own fault because she provoked her husband to violence.
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#13
RE: The crucifixion of jesus and why it doesn't matter
(January 27, 2015 at 11:07 pm)dyresand Wrote: Lets put it into perspective. God essentially fuck up when "creating" us. And i am using it lightly because i don't believe that. So god impregnates a 14 year old girl and that being said he turned into said person jesus christ. Well we know how this would go if it was a episode of Maury. Anyways a 14 year old girl and god being obviously really old is and yes god is a pedo. Anyways back on topic why would god need to sacrifice himself/son because he is dying for himself to please himself. That in a way is like spiritual masturbation.. does god have a kink for being tortured and watching people be tortured and suffer. Back on track god died for himself so then in turn you guys go and praise him/jesus to get into heaven. Doesn't putting all your sin on someone who probably doesn't exist is kinda fucked up i mean you should held accountable for your own "sins" and explain to god why you did such things instead of putting it on a spiritual punching. That is all.

And no one asked 'god' to kill himself for them either.

God led the Hebrews into believing that one way pleased him and then, according to Christians, changed the rules on the Jewish people.
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#14
RE: The crucifixion of jesus and why it doesn't matter
"God? Can you change these rules please? They suck!"

"Certainly not! I can't overrule myself. Unless... I could move part of myself down a bit, around a bit, down a bit more, then up here again!"

"Err.... sure?"

"And then, I can allow myself to change the stupid rules I made!"

"Do what you gotta do, I guess..."
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What is stranger is that by claiming that their god needs a blood sacrifice to forgive, Christians are limiting their god's power which contradicts his being omnipotent.
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(January 28, 2015 at 12:02 am)dyresand Wrote: Suicide is a forgivable sin just like any other sin i looked it up. It really doesn't matter at all you can just put that sin on jesus and keep moving on.

I've been told otherwise, because you can't ask forgiveness after committing suicide.
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10 Christ-like figures that predate Jesus. Link shortened to Chris ate Jesus for some reason...
http://listverse.com/2009/04/13/10-chris...ate-jesus/

Good video to watch, if you want to know how common the Jesus story really is.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88GTUXvp-50

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http://infidels.org/library/modern/jim_m...tions.html

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RE: The crucifixion of jesus and why it doesn't matter
(January 28, 2015 at 10:13 am)Chad32 Wrote:
(January 28, 2015 at 12:02 am)dyresand Wrote: Suicide is a forgivable sin just like any other sin i looked it up. It really doesn't matter at all you can just put that sin on jesus and keep moving on.

I've been told otherwise, because you can't ask forgiveness after committing suicide.

You can if you cut your head off quickly. I hear you have about 8 seconds of consciousness. Plenty of time to beg for forgiveness.

God already knows you were going to do it anyway.

Just a thinker.

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#18
RE: The crucifixion of jesus and why it doesn't matter
OK
So god wasn't happy with the his creation (fuck up #1) so he sent a flood to destroy everything except...(you know the fairy tale)

God wasn't happy again with his creation (fuck up#2) so he sent himself/son to die to fix all the problems (sin)

God (as foretold in revelation) will be mad at us again (fuck up #3) so he will end the world once again.

My only question is will he restart us again?
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RE: The crucifixion of jesus and why it doesn't matter
(January 28, 2015 at 10:49 am)h4ym4n Wrote:
(January 28, 2015 at 10:13 am)Chad32 Wrote: I've been told otherwise, because you can't ask forgiveness after committing suicide.

You can if you cut your head off quickly. I hear you have about 8 seconds of consciousness. Plenty of time to beg for forgiveness.

God already knows you were going to do it anyway.

Just a thinker.

Yeah, you may still retain consciousness after your head is severed. Especially if you have someone else keep the blood from immediately spilling out.
Poe's Law: "Without a winking smiley or other blatant display of humor, it is impossible to create a parody of Fundamentalism that SOMEONE won't mistake for the real thing."

10 Christ-like figures that predate Jesus. Link shortened to Chris ate Jesus for some reason...
http://listverse.com/2009/04/13/10-chris...ate-jesus/

Good video to watch, if you want to know how common the Jesus story really is.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88GTUXvp-50

A list of biblical contradictions from the infallible word of Yahweh.
http://infidels.org/library/modern/jim_m...tions.html

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#20
RE: The crucifixion of jesus and why it doesn't matter
(January 28, 2015 at 10:54 am)polar bear Wrote: OK
So god wasn't happy with the his creation (fuck up #1) so he sent a flood to destroy everything except...(you know the fairy tale)

God wasn't happy again with his creation (fuck up#2) so he sent himself/son to die to fix all the problems (sin)

God (as foretold in revelation) will be mad at us again (fuck up #3) so he will end the world once again.

My only question is will he restart us again?


And will he update the man design to not have that pesky foreskin it hates so much?

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