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RE: "Thou shall not kill" commandment is hypocritical?
April 24, 2015 at 11:02 am
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(April 24, 2015 at 10:54 am)Neimenovic Wrote: (April 24, 2015 at 10:49 am)Alex K Wrote: How should this possibly work otherwise? How are we supposed to do as god does, or vice versa? He's an effing God! It's not even apples and oranges.
here's the problem: what is god like? what is the definition, the requirements for a god?
it's such a vague concept, likely on purpose so that one can fit anything into it
Yes, precisely. It's so vague that you can't really attack it for that reason.
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RE: "Thou shall not kill" commandment is hypocritical?
April 24, 2015 at 11:02 am
(April 24, 2015 at 8:31 am)Chuck Wrote: "Thou shall not kill" of the Old Testament is short hand for "thou shall not kill those Israelites whom the Jewish priestly and ruling class would find inconvenient to lose".
Anyone who do not fall in that definition can be killed so long as you can get away with it.
Remember the Ten Commandments comes from a petty local cult whose main purpose for existence was to inflate the egos of a petty local tribe and more securely ensconce a priestly and ruling class within that tribe. It doesn't really consider anyone not of the tribe as potential addressees.
This is the problem Xian's have with the bible. Too many people interpret what they want to, how they want to, for their own convenience so that they can easily explain or justify the horrid actions of their god.
There shouldn't be any wiggle room for loopholes and such. I say, it should be worded to say "There shall be no killing of any people." That way, god would have to include himself and be held accountable. The use of the word "Thou" leaves god free to kill as he pleases and get away with it because "Thou" essentially means the word "You".
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RE: "Thou shall not kill" commandment is hypocritical?
April 24, 2015 at 11:03 am
(April 24, 2015 at 10:52 am)Judi Lynn Wrote: (April 24, 2015 at 8:15 am)Alex K Wrote: Nonsense. Why should the same rules apply to us as to the createur of the universe?
Because supposedly, we were made "in his image". That would have to extend to all aspects of "him" and everything that he does.
Are you saying we are God? Whatever they mean by "we are made in His image" can't possibly extend to all properties.
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RE: "Thou shall not kill" commandment is hypocritical?
April 24, 2015 at 11:37 am
(April 24, 2015 at 11:03 am)Alex K Wrote: (April 24, 2015 at 10:52 am)Judi Lynn Wrote: Because supposedly, we were made "in his image". That would have to extend to all aspects of "him" and everything that he does.
Are you saying we are God? Whatever they mean by "we are made in His image" can't possibly extend to all properties.
I'm saying that if someone were to take the bible literally, then the phrase "God made man in his image", would have to literally mean just that. All that personifies him would have to apply as well. And if he's going to tell Moses on some tablet that "Thou shall not kill", then he definitely needs to lead by example, for man was "created in His image". Make sense? I hope that was clearer.
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RE: "Thou shall not kill" commandment is hypocritical?
April 24, 2015 at 11:51 am
(April 24, 2015 at 7:56 am)pocaracas Wrote: So we have Moses, bringing "his people" from Egypt to Mt. Sinai where Jehova gives him the ten commandments...
And one of them is simply "you shall not murder", but... but... what did god do with all the plagues he sent down on Egypt, particularly the one with all the firstborns, if not murdering?
What sort of moral authority does such a being have to tell his "children" not to murder when that's exactly what he did a couple of pages back?!
It's been done.
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RE: "Thou shall not kill" commandment is hypocritical?
April 24, 2015 at 12:12 pm
Oh my Adonai, that's hilarious
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RE: "Thou shall not kill" commandment is hypocritical?
April 24, 2015 at 12:29 pm
(April 24, 2015 at 11:03 am)Alex K Wrote: (April 24, 2015 at 10:52 am)Judi Lynn Wrote: Because supposedly, we were made "in his image". That would have to extend to all aspects of "him" and everything that he does.
Are you saying we are God? Whatever they mean by "we are made in His image" can't possibly extend to all properties.
No, not all properties. Just the pettiness, narcissism, vindictiveness, wild mood swings, ability to change one's mind about really important things, wrath, violence, etc.
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RE: "Thou shall not kill" commandment is hypocritical?
April 24, 2015 at 12:31 pm
(April 24, 2015 at 12:29 pm)Crossless1 Wrote: (April 24, 2015 at 11:03 am)Alex K Wrote: Are you saying we are God? Whatever they mean by "we are made in His image" can't possibly extend to all properties.
No, not all properties. Just the pettiness, narcissism, vindictiveness, wild mood swings, ability to change one's mind about really important things, wrath, violence, etc.
And the appreciation for a beautiful flower, and rainbows. Or is that from the devil?
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RE: "Thou shall not kill" commandment is hypocritical?
April 24, 2015 at 12:35 pm
(April 24, 2015 at 12:31 pm)Alex K Wrote: (April 24, 2015 at 12:29 pm)Crossless1 Wrote: No, not all properties. Just the pettiness, narcissism, vindictiveness, wild mood swings, ability to change one's mind about really important things, wrath, violence, etc.
And the appreciation for a beautiful flower, and rainbows. Or is that from the devil?
They say the devil is in the details... and I count that as a detail! 
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RE: "Thou shall not kill" commandment is hypocritical?
April 24, 2015 at 4:09 pm
(April 24, 2015 at 8:15 am)Alex K Wrote: Nonsense. Why should the same rules apply to us as to the createur of the universe?
In the Bible, there are many examples of God commanding people to kill. So it isn't just a matter of God killing people Himself; God commands people to kill people. So God isn't keeping his commands consistent.
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