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RE: Coming to a harsh conclusion
May 24, 2015 at 11:46 pm
(May 24, 2015 at 11:42 pm)CapnAwesome Wrote: (May 24, 2015 at 9:39 pm)Randy Carson Wrote: I did. Are you wondering why we are no longer required to obey the laws of the Old Testament?
We are bound to the moral laws (think Ten Commandments here), but the dietary and other laws are no longer applicable.
If you are bound to the 10 commandments, you are fucked. The Sabbath is on saturday, not Sunday. Saturday is the day of rest and worship.
The cathylicks have a slightly different set of 10 that eliminates that one because they're the ones that decided they knew better than gawd and changed the holey day.
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RE: Coming to a harsh conclusion
May 24, 2015 at 11:47 pm
(May 24, 2015 at 11:42 pm)SnakeOilWarrior Wrote: (May 24, 2015 at 11:33 pm)Losty Wrote: When I was a theist, we were taught that people like you were lukewarm Christians. God would spit you away. We were told that lukewarm Christians were even more disgusting to god that non believers.
I was (not so) politely asked to leave mom's church once when the topic of lukewarm christers came up. My comment that most of them are in more trouble with gawd that I am didn't go over terribly well. :angel:
The church I grew up in would have agreed with you probably. Being a lukewarm was a serious offense.
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RE: Coming to a harsh conclusion
May 25, 2015 at 12:10 am
Quote: As far as I understand, the unforgivable sin bit is reserved for only the holy ghost.
True, SOW, but then the fuckers turn around and claim that yhwh=jesus=holy fucking ghost anyway so they cover it on that basis. Best to simply ignore their bullshit.
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RE: Coming to a harsh conclusion
May 25, 2015 at 1:18 am
(May 24, 2015 at 11:46 pm)CapnAwesome Wrote: (May 24, 2015 at 11:45 pm)SnakeOilWarrior Wrote: Strictly speaking, it's sunset Friday to Sunset Saturday (for the evening and the morning was the X day...)
Right, one day that it is definitely not on is Sunday though.
Paul changed the rules on that. He said that any day you like is good enough.
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RE: Coming to a harsh conclusion
May 25, 2015 at 3:33 am
(This post was last modified: May 25, 2015 at 3:35 am by robvalue.)
It's weird that Christians would keep the OT around as evidence of all the morality God taught that he was wrong about. He was so wrong that he had to try and correct them by sending down a less angry version of himself. Kind of messes up any ideas about him being perfect, about objective morality or about the bible having any relevance to us. I know he didn't actually delete these laws anyway, he clearly said not to, which was kind of an epic fail on his part. His stubborn and petty nature ruined the one chance to improve his broken rules.
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RE: Coming to a harsh conclusion
May 25, 2015 at 5:28 am
(May 24, 2015 at 11:32 pm)SnakeOilWarrior Wrote: (May 24, 2015 at 2:17 pm)dyresand Wrote: One time or another you can say god dammit and pretty much saying that you won't give forgiven if you damn god. There is some things in the bible
that aren't forgivable like god dammit, because damming god and such and you can't damn any part of the trinity.
As far as I understand, the unforgivable sin bit is reserved for only the holy ghost. You can call the all-mighty a syphilis infected pile of monkey shit and his bastard child the source of all flatulence in the world but, merely whisper that the Holey Casper doesn't exist, however... Oops. Did it again, didn't I?
Looking at the Catechism of the Catholic Church, blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is the “deliberate refusal” to accept God’s mercy and forgiveness (no. 1864). Six species of this sin have been identified over time as (1) Despair; (2) Presumption; (3) Impenitence or a firm determination not to repent; (4) Obstinacy; (5) Resisting divine truth known to be such; and (6) Envy of another’s spiritual welfare.
The short answer is from definition. The following is from a commentary by John Paul II on the Scriptural prohibition of blaspheming against the Holy Spirit:
“According to such an exegesis, 'blasphemy' does not properly consist in offending against the Holy Spirit in words; it consists rather in the refusal to accept the salvation which God offers to man through the Holy Spirit, working through the power of the Cross” (Dominum et Vivificantem, Encyclical Letter on the Holy Spirit, no. 46).
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RE: Coming to a harsh conclusion
May 25, 2015 at 5:32 am
Whatever you say lukewarm Christian
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RE: Coming to a harsh conclusion
May 25, 2015 at 5:34 am
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(May 24, 2015 at 11:33 pm)Losty Wrote: (May 24, 2015 at 9:39 pm)Randy Carson Wrote: I did. Are you wondering why we are no longer required to obey the laws of the Old Testament?
We are bound to the moral laws (think Ten Commandments here), but the dietary and other laws are no longer applicable.
What!? You are not required to obey the laws of the Old Testament?? Someone forgot to tell Jesus!! "Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets. I have come not to abolish but to fulfill. Amen, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest part or the smallest part of a letter will pass from the law, until all things have taken place." (Matthew 5:17 NAB)
When I was a theist, we were taught that people like you were lukewarm Christians. God would spit you away. We were told that lukewarm Christians were even more disgusting to god that non believers.
Jesus fulfilled the law and the prophets. The Greek word translated "fulfill" means "to make complete". Thus, the New Covenant includes and concludes the Old Covenant; it both perfects it and transforms it. While sacrificial laws of the OT expired with the sacrifice of Jesus, the moral law (the Ten Commandments, etc.) was retained and refined.
(May 24, 2015 at 11:40 pm)CapnAwesome Wrote: (May 24, 2015 at 2:14 pm)dyresand Wrote: Mixed fabrics and eating shrimp and working on sunday i'm just scratching the surface. Also preachers they are working on sunday, republicunt's they are working on sunday.
So pretty much were all going to hell for one thing or another.
Actually according to the bible the sabbath is on Saturday. So people going to Church on Sunday aren't keeping holy the Sabbath anyway. That's in the 10 commandments. It's hell for them!
The Catechism of the Catholic Church says: "The Church celebrates the day of Christ’s Resurrection on the ‘eighth day,’ Sunday, which is rightly called the Lord’s Day" (CCC 2191).
The early Church did not move the Sabbath from Saturday to Sunday. Instead "The Sabbath, which represented the completion of the first creation, has been replaced by Sunday, which recalls the new creation inaugurated by the Resurrection of Christ" (CCC 2190). Sunday is the day Catholics are bound to keep, not Saturday.
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RE: Coming to a harsh conclusion
May 25, 2015 at 5:45 am
(May 25, 2015 at 5:34 am)Randy Carson Wrote: (May 24, 2015 at 11:33 pm)Losty Wrote: What!? You are not required to obey the laws of the Old Testament?? Someone forgot to tell Jesus!! "Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets. I have come not to abolish but to fulfill. Amen, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest part or the smallest part of a letter will pass from the law, until all things have taken place." (Matthew 5:17 NAB)
When I was a theist, we were taught that people like you were lukewarm Christians. God would spit you away. We were told that lukewarm Christians were even more disgusting to god that non believers.
Jesus fulfilled the law and the prophets. The Greek word translated "fulfill" means "to make complete". Thus, the New Covenant includes and concludes the Old Covenant; it both perfects it and transforms it. While sacrificial laws of the OT expired with the sacrifice of Jesus, the moral law (the Ten Commandments, etc.) was retained and refined.
No it clearly says that not even a part of a single letter of the law will be changed until all things have happened. Is the world over? No. It's ok, don't feel bad. You're not the only Christian that lacks the faith to actually follow the bible by the letter. 
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RE: Coming to a harsh conclusion
May 25, 2015 at 5:57 am
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(May 25, 2015 at 3:33 am)robvalue Wrote: It's weird that Christians would keep the OT around as evidence of all the morality God taught that he was wrong about. He was so wrong that he had to try and correct them by sending down a less angry version of himself. Kind of messes up any ideas about him being perfect, about objective morality or about the bible having any relevance to us. I know he didn't actually delete these laws anyway, he clearly said not to, which was kind of an epic fail on his part. His stubborn and petty nature ruined the one chance to improve his broken rules.
If you are actually interested in learning more about this, Jimmy Akin has contributed a helpful article titled “Pope Benedict on the ‘Dark Passages’ of Scripture”.
Google will find it for you.
(May 25, 2015 at 5:45 am)Losty Wrote: (May 25, 2015 at 5:34 am)Randy Carson Wrote: Jesus fulfilled the law and the prophets. The Greek word translated "fulfill" means "to make complete". Thus, the New Covenant includes and concludes the Old Covenant; it both perfects it and transforms it. While sacrificial laws of the OT expired with the sacrifice of Jesus, the moral law (the Ten Commandments, etc.) was retained and refined.
No it clearly says that not even a part of a single letter of the law will be changed until all things have happened. Is the world over? No. It's ok, don't feel bad. You're not the only Christian that lacks the faith to actually follow the bible by the letter.
Oh. I get it. 
Having failed to live a Christian life yourself, you console yourself with the false notion that no one else is, either.
Rather than trying to pull everyone else down, why not try raising yourself up to a higher standard?
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