Just read this and tell me what you think.

[FatAndFaithless]

You mean the conclusions we draw are based on our perception? Well..yeah, duh. What's your point?

[Esquilax]

The effects we try to describe is a result of how our brain processes the observations we make. If the brain processes in another way the observations are now different.

Mhmm. And there are at least a few gravestones out there for people who have observed that gravity doesn't work on them and they can fly, generally right out of windows, downward, at a terminal rate of velocity. Almost as if gravity does work on them, regardless of their observations of it...

By the way, there were also plenty of other people whose brains were processing correctly, who witnessed gravity working on those people. We don't make our observations in a vacuum, you know; there are other people continually reverifying our observations as consistent with their own. In fact, that's the main way we diagnose mental illness, is seeing how a person's model of reality deviates from the commonly observed standard.

Mind you, none of what you've said has even come close to answering the question you were asked, which was what our ability to alter our perceptions has to do with an afterlife. If your point was just that we base our lack of belief in an afterlife based on our observations, and our observations can be altered, so ha ha, you don't know, you have faith, then you're just committing an argument from ignorance.

[rary]

The effects we try to describe is a result of how our brain processes the observations we make. If the brain processes in another way the observations are now different.

Mhmm. And there are at least a few gravestones out there for people who have observed that gravity doesn't work on them and they can fly, generally right out of windows, downward, at a terminal rate of velocity. Almost as if gravity does work on them, regardless of their observations of it...

By the way, there were also plenty of other people whose brains were processing correctly, who witnessed gravity working on those people. We don't make our observations in a vacuum, you know; there are other people continually reverifying our observations as consistent with their own. In fact, that's the main way we diagnose mental illness, is seeing how a person's model of reality deviates from the commonly observed standard.

Mind you, none of what you've said has even come close to answering the question you were asked, which was what our ability to alter our perceptions has to do with an afterlife. If your point was just that we base our lack of belief in an afterlife based on our observations, and our observations can be altered, so ha ha, you don't know, you have faith, then you're just committing an argument from ignorance.

"If your point was just that we base our lack of belief in an afterlife based on our observations, and our observations can be altered"

That is my point, and true I do not know, but it is a thought.

[FatAndFaithless]

I'm still not following, especially with all this "our minds create the laws of the universe" stuff.

[Cato]

"If your point was just that we base our lack of belief in an afterlife based on our observations, and our observations can be altered"

That is my point, and true I do not know, but it is a thought.

The idea of an afterlife contradicts our experience so you'll have to gather more evidence to support its existence. Accepting the idea of an afterlife as a default position and suggesting that we are only unaware of it because we are all collectively subjected to some cosmic chemically induced mind fuck is intellectually dishonest.

Not everything that can be imagined is possible.

[Minimalist]

[rary]

Lol i dont have a philosophy degree

[FatAndFaithless]

Whoosh..

[Esquilax]

"If your point was just that we base our lack of belief in an afterlife based on our observations, and our observations can be altered"

That is my point, and true I do not know, but it is a thought.

And as we've already established, perception does not equal reality. I literally just got through explaining how our understanding of that is crucial to our diagnostic ability for mental illness.

[henryp]

I think science has identified in large part how our perceptions are formed, and subsequently ways to operate around said perceptions failings.

So we may think the top hat looks like it's taller than it is wide, but we created the ruler so we can measure it instead of relying on our silly brain.