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Goosebump · June 7, 2015 at 12:09 am

To open I'm American and so my media generally says it is from Fox News to Bill Maher. I'm also no student of religions. I did read some where that nonbelievers should be beheaded and behanded, hopefully in that order. Do the Christian or Hindu or any other faiths have as low a bar on violence?

**CapnAwesome** · June 7, 2015 at 12:12 am

Well I'm going to have to go with more. Probably because, as opposed to other religions, it was founded by a warlord.

**The Grand Nudger** · June 7, 2015 at 12:50 am

Do the christian or hindu faiths have as low a bar? Are you asking if there is violence contained within, projected outward, or just generally present in the periphery -of-.

The answer is yes to all three, I'm just wondering. It's not like the mulsims came up with the niche, eh?

**Minimalist** · June 7, 2015 at 12:56 am

What it teaches is irrelevant. What its adherents do is what matters.

Goosebump · June 7, 2015 at 1:03 am

So there is equal violence toward non-members in all religions? Like kill those that aren't us stuff is in all the books?

paulpablo · June 7, 2015 at 4:15 am

(June 7, 2015 at 12:09 am)Goosebump Wrote: To open I'm American and so my media generally says it is from Fox News to Bill Maher. I'm also no student of religions. I did read some where that nonbelievers should be beheaded and behanded, hopefully in that order. Do the Christian or Hindu or any other faiths have as low a bar on violence?

It's very difficult to know what the teachings of Islam are if you take the quran and the hadith to be the teachings of Islam.

First of all you would need knowledge of the quran and a mind like one of the best lawyers in the world in order to remember and apply the knowledge.

Secondly you would need to understand the language the quran is written in.

Thirdly if I remember correctly even if you read, remember and understand all the verses, you still need to know what order they are in because some verses abrograte other verses.

Fourthly if you take the hadith into consideration then you need to know which haiths are the most reliable.

To me what looks very suspicious about the modern translations of the quran is that it usually has interperetations in brackets next to the verses. Especially in the more violent parts or where it seems god is being sadistic.

So for example it will say something along the lines of, men if you fear rebelion from your wives feel free to beat them (only lightly)

If you don't believe the verses of the quran (after reading and understanding them properly) god will burn you, then recreate your flesh, then burn you again in order for you to feel the pain over and over.

jesus_wept · June 7, 2015 at 4:56 am

Take the Quran challenge, open a page, any page, and see how long it is before it's threatening someone or other with violence and eternal torture. Do the same with other "holy books".

**robvalue** · (This post was last modified: June 7, 2015 at 5:02 am by robvalue.)

In the bible, death threats are so common you don't even need to be an unbeliever. Picking up sticks on a Sunday will do it. Yes, seriously.

But if you worship something other than good old Morgan Freeman, he gives license to kill you, that's for sure. When Moses came down after getting a bunch of commandments (including the one about not killing) and found the followers had already tired of Yahweh and started worshiping a golden object instead, the Y man ordered Moses to kill them.

That's the kind of sick morality the bible is peddling. The Quran says a ridiculous number of times over that anyone who does not submit to Allah will meet a fiery doom. And Jesus brought Hell with him, to send anyone to who doesn't follow his contradictory rules.

It's a good job even most people taking it seriously don't take it very seriously. Living in peace and harmony with people who actually believed this shit would be impossible.

**robvalue** · June 7, 2015 at 5:05 am

I'm not too familiar with the Kerrang but I think the bible has it beat in terms of sheer violence. God kills at least 2.5 million people during the story, either directly or by commandment. That's a lot of love for other gods to compete with.

jesus_wept

Many of the stories in the bible are also found in the quran.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biblical_an...narratives

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