Transgendered children

[Longhorn]

I would like to see someone address Nestor's question. I think it has bearing on furthering understanding:

My confusion lies in what gives anyone the authority to classify differences between people as a "psychiatric disorder," individual identity, and/or mere desire.

Um, a medical degree, maybe? This particular disorder is based on the dissonance between a person's identity and their body and the discomfort stemming from it

What other reasons do you propose for someone to have to change their sex other than being extremely discontent with it? Are there really people who just choose to change their sex for fun?

[Pyrrho]

My confusion lies in what gives anyone the authority to classify differences between people as a "psychiatric disorder," individual identity, and/or mere desire.

Whether something is a psychiatric disorder or not is a social construct.  Prior to 1973, the American Psychiatric Association classified homosexuality as a mental disorder.  In 1973, they decided it was not a mental disorder.  Homosexuality, though, was the same before and after 1973.  What changed were attitudes toward it.

[Mudhammam]

What do mean by "authority?" And do you mean by "psychiatric disorder?" I think you may just be arguing over semantics at this point. 

By "authority", I mean the bulk of psychiatry, specifically those who think it is within their natural powers to impose labels on a person, which often carry denigrating stigmas, and that may even leave the recipient totally lacking autonomy over their own thoughts and actions. They play the role of puppeteer and toy with brain chemistry, as it is very profitable for them to do so, and moreover appears as an easy fix, whereas what people may really need is genuine human friendship, connection, stability in their environment, life experience, direction (moral or otherwise), etc.

By "psychiatric disorder" I mean, simply: "A mental or behavioral pattern or anomaly that causes either suffering or an impaired ability to function in ordinary life (disability), and which is not a developmental or social norm."

Additional quotes should be added to "ordinary" and "norm."

[robvalue]

Now I'm thinking in terms of the mind actually expecting the physical body to be different to what it is, I'm grasping the sheer horror of this condition I think that was the piece I was missing from my understanding.

[celtic.white]

My taken on this is simple, direct, and unequivocal. Sex and gender binaries are irrefutables of science, of natural order and selection., and they map perfectly enough on to each other to be easily handled by parents who have the confidence and backbone to say, "NO!" to the inevitable whining of butch dykes and sissy faggot "bois." "Transgenderism" is one of the biggest hoaxes ever perpetrated by radical feminist "social constructionists" to disrupt family health and stability and parental rights.

[BrokenQuill92]

It's absolutely WRONG to endanger your child that way. If the parents let him transition later in his teens I wouldn't have a problem. But how DARE they expose him to public cruelty and possibly endanger his life. These people are sick. I hope someone called CPS.

[rexbeccarox]

My taken on this is simple, direct, and unequivocal. Sex and gender binaries are irrefutables of science, of natural order and selection., and they map perfectly enough on to each other to be easily handled by parents who have the confidence and backbone to say, "NO!" to the inevitable whining of butch dykes and sissy faggot "bois." "Transgenderism" is one of the biggest hoaxes ever perpetrated by radical feminist "social constructionists" to disrupt family health and stability and parental rights.

Wow. Way to make an entrance.

[rexbeccarox]

It's absolutely WRONG to endanger your child that way. If the parents let him transition later in his teens I wouldn't have a problem. But how DARE they expose him to public cruelty and possibly endanger his life. These people are sick. I hope someone called CPS.

There is a TON of research cited in this very thread, iirc. I think you should read it all before you make sweeping generalizations like that, BQ. You are better than this. The high risk of suicide among transgender people whose transitioning was postponed alone should be enough to make you withdraw your above statements and think a little more critically about them.

[BrokenQuill92]

It's absolutely WRONG to endanger your child that way. If the parents let him transition later in his teens I wouldn't have a problem. But how DARE they expose him to public cruelty and possibly endanger his life. These people are sick. I hope someone called CPS.

There is a TON of research cited in this very thread, iirc. I think you should read it all before you make sweeping generalizations like that, BQ. You are better than this. The high risk of suicide among transgender people whose transitioning was postponed alone should be enough to make you withdraw your above statements and think a little more critically about them.

I'm worried they are putting that kid in pysichal danger from crazy people. Its their job as parents to protect their children, yes it maybe at the expense of her happiness temporarily but at least wait until she can defend herself. It's not like I'm say transition when she's 50, but fifteen or sixteen (maybe even fourteen since a good chunk of males don't start puberty until then) shouldn't be that long of a wait for an eleven year old.

[rexbeccarox]

There is a TON of research cited in this very thread, iirc. I think you should read it all before you make sweeping generalizations like that, BQ. You are better than this. The high risk of suicide among transgender people whose transitioning was postponed alone should be enough to make you withdraw your above statements and think a little more critically about them.

I'm worried they are putting that kid in pysichal danger from crazy people. Its their job as parents to  protect their children, yes it maybe at the expense of her happiness temporarily but at least wait until she can defend herself. It's not like I'm say transition when she's 50, but fifteen or sixteen (maybe even fourteen since a good chunk of males don't start puberty until then) shouldn't be that long of a wait for an eleven year old.

Please read the entire thread and the things cited here, then do some of your own research. You are clearly uninformed about this issue and you need to read about it before you start throwing your opinion around as if you know what you're talking about.

Please don't think I'm trying to be mean; I'm really not. I just think it's important for you to understand what it is you're discussing.