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RE: *trigger warning* What if atheism's not all it seems?
December 2, 2017 at 5:28 pm
(December 2, 2017 at 4:12 pm)Tizheruk Wrote: Yup we all die . Why should that bother anyone? Why focus on death rather then life ? Why should one wish to return ? for what ends?
Usually, this is a two sided problem.
- On the one hand, the selfish "I want to live forever" that you mentioned.
- On the other hand, there's the "I don't want my loved ones to stop existing". And this is the most difficult to cope with, when one of them does die. It certainly feels good to think that they go to a better place and that we'll join with them when our time comes.
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RE: *trigger warning* What if atheism's not all it seems?
December 2, 2017 at 5:39 pm
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(December 2, 2017 at 5:28 pm)pocaracas Wrote: (December 2, 2017 at 4:12 pm)Tizheruk Wrote: Yup we all die . Why should that bother anyone? Why focus on death rather then life ? Why should one wish to return ? for what ends?
Usually, this is a two sided problem.
- On the one hand, the selfish "I want to live forever" that you mentioned.
- On the other hand, there's the "I don't want my loved ones to stop existing". And this is the most difficult to cope with, when one of them does die. It certainly feels good to think that they go to a better place and that we'll join with them when our time comes.
I do not think it is selfish . I simply ask why would care to live forever ? As for the notion of rejoining people i loved . Why would said rejoining make it better? Never once have thought that reunion with people i have lost should be a thing i should particularly want . I loved them .I lost them . I have fond memories that will carry me through till death.
But can see your point how that might not be best for some
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RE: *trigger warning* What if atheism's not all it seems?
December 2, 2017 at 5:42 pm
(December 2, 2017 at 5:39 pm)Tizheruk Wrote: (December 2, 2017 at 5:28 pm)pocaracas Wrote: Usually, this is a two sided problem.
- On the one hand, the selfish "I want to live forever" that you mentioned.
- On the other hand, there's the "I don't want my loved ones to stop existing". And this is the most difficult to cope with, when one of them does die. It certainly feels good to think that they go to a better place and that we'll join with them when our time comes.
I do not think it is selfish . I simply ask why would care to live forever ? As for the notion of rejoining people i loved . Why would said rejoining make it better? Never once have thought that reunion with people i have lost should be a thing i should particularly want . I loved them .I lost them . I have fond memories that will carry me through till death.
But can see your point
Really? That's strange. Can't say I've ever come across a person having the sentiment of not wanting to be reunited with the ones they love.
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RE: *trigger warning* What if atheism's not all it seems?
December 2, 2017 at 5:52 pm
(December 2, 2017 at 5:42 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: (December 2, 2017 at 5:39 pm)Tizheruk Wrote: I do not think it is selfish . I simply ask why would care to live forever ? As for the notion of rejoining people i loved . Why would said rejoining make it better? Never once have thought that reunion with people i have lost should be a thing i should particularly want . I loved them .I lost them . I have fond memories that will carry me through till death.
But can see your point
Really? That's strange. Can't say I've ever come across a person having the sentiment of not wanting to be reunited with the ones they love.
I simply don't see the point . Maybe it's my age. After all i'm not far off from the end myself i imagine . Or the fact i have seen so much death .Most of my childhood friends are long gone . Or maybe it's influenced by culture . But i don't see begin gone as bad . Nor reuniting as necessarily good .
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RE: *trigger warning* What if atheism's not all it seems?
December 2, 2017 at 6:11 pm
Missing someone you love and wanting to see them again seems natural to me, but fair enough.
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RE: *trigger warning* What if atheism's not all it seems?
December 2, 2017 at 6:18 pm
(December 2, 2017 at 6:11 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Missing someone you love and wanting to see them again seems natural to me, but fair enough.
Missing them and wishing you could see them again are indeed natural. Thinking you could .. is natural enough in your world, bordering on delusional in mine.
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RE: *trigger warning* What if atheism's not all it seems?
December 2, 2017 at 6:57 pm
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RE: *trigger warning* What if atheism's not all it seems?
December 2, 2017 at 8:38 pm
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(December 2, 2017 at 11:37 am)PhilosophicalZebra Wrote: [A god gives] the universe greater meaning because if it were to exist it would mean the following: We may one day be reunited with our family members and friends who have passed on; there will be justice and judgments for both the good and bad; we are each of value, indispensable, and worthy of love; and the world was created with some greater purpose in mind rather than just from a sheer cold happenstance - to name just a few.
That doesn't do a thing for me. I create my own meaning and purpose in life, and simply don't need a façade of supernatural stuff and whatnot.
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RE: *trigger warning* What if atheism's not all it seems?
December 2, 2017 at 10:28 pm
(December 2, 2017 at 11:53 am)J a c k Wrote: “I’ve just seen some flaws in atheism...”
Lol I don’t believe for a second that this dude was atheist.
He doesn't even know what atheism is.
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RE: *trigger warning* What if atheism's not all it seems?
December 3, 2017 at 10:06 am
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