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[Serious] What God's justification for eternal torment?
RE: What God's justification for eternal torment?
For the reason hit upon above. It's what they want to be true, and what we want to be true isn't necessarily connected to what is (nor does it have to be for us to make it so).

That there was never any man from the sky who wrestled with a jew all day is irrelevant to whether or not we've created order on the basis thereof here n he very real world - and..similarly, that there was never any jesus does not and frankly cannot even begin to approach the truth (or falsehood) of the ideology attributed to the character.
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RE: What God's justification for eternal torment?
(August 13, 2020 at 10:30 pm)SuicideCommando01 Wrote: OK listen, I get that God has rules and all, but when it comes to punishment, why does God need to punish us with LITERAL FIRE? Why BURN BILLIONS of people as punishment for "not accepting my son" ? and Why for ETERNITY? That has to be the most fucked up thing imaginable, that to me is NOT of justice, NOT of love and certainty NOT righteous, if anything, its barbaric, its savagery, its inhumane, and most importantly, its EVIL. And don't say "No they actually do die a second time in the lake of fire" because that "holy" book of yours is filled with contradictions. God cannot deal with sinners in a civilized, and humane matter? Why not the punishment for not accepting god or Jesus be: You die in this life, thats it, no heaven.

The bible says we are made in Gods image. So ask yourself the question, of why. Would you save someone that didnt give crap about you, and undermined your authority. Would you let someone that hated the thought of you into your home to live with you forever. 
We are eternal beings, that either live with God or away from Him. God sees someone either as an angel or like a demon, in reality. We get the same rewards or punishments as them.
To see evidence for God but deny it because of self serving means is to completely reject God, that is what makes him angry. The devil will be screaming the most and the loudest in the lake of fire, forever. Human beings will have more mercy attributed to them, because of lake of fire wasnt made for humans.
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RE: What God's justification for eternal torment?
(November 25, 2020 at 2:53 pm)Prycejosh1987 Wrote: The bible says we are made in Gods image. So ask yourself the question, of why. Would you save someone that didnt give crap about you, and undermined your authority. Would you let someone that hated the thought of you into your home to live with you forever. 
We are eternal beings, that either live with God or away from Him. God sees someone either as an angel or like a demon, in reality. We get the same rewards or punishments as them.
To see evidence for God but deny it because of self serving means is to completely reject God, that is what makes him angry. The devil will be screaming the most and the loudest in the lake of fire, forever. Human beings will have more mercy attributed to them, because of lake of fire wasnt made for humans.

Your theology makes God out to be a narcissist of the highest order.  So, because God created man in His image, God is like us, with all the same human qualities?  So much for all those "omni" qualities God supposedly has.

I suggest you rethink your ridiculous idea of an anthropomorphic god.
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RE: What God's justification for eternal torment?
(November 25, 2020 at 2:53 pm)Prycejosh1987 Wrote:
(August 13, 2020 at 10:30 pm)SuicideCommando01 Wrote: OK listen, I get that God has rules and all, but when it comes to punishment, why does God need to punish us with LITERAL FIRE? Why BURN BILLIONS of people as punishment for "not accepting my son" ? and Why for ETERNITY? That has to be the most fucked up thing imaginable, that to me is NOT of justice, NOT of love and certainty NOT righteous, if anything, its barbaric, its savagery, its inhumane, and most importantly, its EVIL. And don't say "No they actually do die a second time in the lake of fire" because that "holy" book of yours is filled with contradictions. God cannot deal with sinners in a civilized, and humane matter? Why not the punishment for not accepting god or Jesus be: You die in this life, thats it, no heaven.

The bible says we are made in Gods image. So ask yourself the question, of why. Would you save someone that didnt give crap about you, and undermined your authority. Would you let someone that hated the thought of you into your home to live with you forever. 
We are eternal beings, that either live with God or away from Him. God sees someone either as an angel or like a demon, in reality. We get the same rewards or punishments as them.
To see evidence for God but deny it because of self serving means is to completely reject God, that is what makes him angry. The devil will be screaming the most and the loudest in the lake of fire, forever. Human beings will have more mercy attributed to them, because of lake of fire wasnt made for humans.

There are people in the world that hate me (shocking, I know), but I’ve never felt the urge to set them on fire.

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RE: What God's justification for eternal torment?
(November 25, 2020 at 2:53 pm)Prycejosh1987 Wrote: So ask yourself the question, of why. Would you save someone that didnt give crap about you, and undermined your authority.

Yeah, someone who doesn't like me means I would torture him/ her forever -- insane, psychopathic logic.

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teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. - Sam Harris, "Letter To A Christian Nation"
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RE: What God's justification for eternal torment?
(November 25, 2020 at 2:53 pm)Prycejosh1987 Wrote:
(August 13, 2020 at 10:30 pm)SuicideCommando01 Wrote: OK listen, I get that God has rules and all, but when it comes to punishment, why does God need to punish us with LITERAL FIRE? Why BURN BILLIONS of people as punishment for "not accepting my son" ? and Why for ETERNITY? That has to be the most fucked up thing imaginable, that to me is NOT of justice, NOT of love and certainty NOT righteous, if anything, its barbaric, its savagery, its inhumane, and most importantly, its EVIL. And don't say "No they actually do die a second time in the lake of fire" because that "holy" book of yours is filled with contradictions. God cannot deal with sinners in a civilized, and humane matter? Why not the punishment for not accepting god or Jesus be: You die in this life, thats it, no heaven.

The bible says we are made in Gods image. So ask yourself the question, of why.


No, my first question should be: “do you have any evidence that’s true?”

Quote:Would you save someone that didnt give crap about you, and undermined your authority. Would you let someone that hated the thought of you into your home to live with you forever. 
We are eternal beings, that either live with God or away from Him. God sees someone either as an angel or like a demon, in reality. We get the same rewards or punishments as them.
To see evidence for God but deny it because of self serving means is to completely reject God, that is what makes him angry. The devil will be screaming the most and the loudest in the lake of fire, forever. Human beings will have more mercy attributed to them, because of lake of fire wasnt made for humans.

The rest of your rambling is irrelevant until such time that you demonstrate your first assertion to be true.
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RE: What God's justification for eternal torment?
(November 25, 2020 at 2:53 pm)Prycejosh1987 Wrote: The bible says we are made in Gods image. So ask yourself the question, of why. 

Yes, ask yourself that question.   Ever consider that maybe, just maybe..we created god in our image?
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RE: What God's justification for eternal torment?
Quote:The bible says we are made in Gods image. So ask yourself the question, of why.
That's literally not an answer.

Quote:Would you save someone that didnt give crap about you, and undermined your authority. .
Because I'm not a petty asshole who defines my relationship by authority, And subordinates are undermining you it means you are a poor leader unworthy of your position or authority, And any god worth the title would not have such issues.



Quote:Would you let someone that hated the thought of you into your home to live with you forever. 

If I were a god worthy of the title no one would hate me. The fact anyone would reflect badly on me, And if the alternative is their eternal suffering then my conscience would endure their hate . They don't need to love me for me to love them back or for me to be concerned with their suffering. Nor would I ever demand such a thing.

Quote:We are eternal beings, that either live with God or away from Him. 
How does one live apart from a being who is everywhere? And the fact any god would make that the only choices speak volumes about their character. None of it laudable.


Quote:God sees someone either as an angel or like a demon, in reality. We get the same rewards or punishments as them.
Then he is a fool 


Quote:To see evidence for God but deny it because of self serving means is to completely reject God, that is what makes him angry. 

There is no such evidence so his anger is misplaced, And if people reject him that's his fault.



Quote:The devil will be screaming the most and the loudest in the lake of fire, forever. Human beings will have more mercy attributed to them, because of lake of fire wasnt made for humans
The fact a being would subject any other being to something that horrible. Truly demonstrates a cruel heart.
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RE: What God's justification for eternal torment?
(November 25, 2020 at 2:53 pm)Prycejosh1987 Wrote:
(August 13, 2020 at 10:30 pm)SuicideCommando01 Wrote: OK listen, I get that God has rules and all, but when it comes to punishment, why does God need to punish us with LITERAL FIRE? Why BURN BILLIONS of people as punishment for "not accepting my son" ? and Why for ETERNITY? That has to be the most fucked up thing imaginable, that to me is NOT of justice, NOT of love and certainty NOT righteous, if anything, its barbaric, its savagery, its inhumane, and most importantly, its EVIL. And don't say "No they actually do die a second time in the lake of fire" because that "holy" book of yours is filled with contradictions. God cannot deal with sinners in a civilized, and humane matter? Why not the punishment for not accepting god or Jesus be: You die in this life, thats it, no heaven.

The bible says we are made in Gods image. So ask yourself the question, of why. Would you save someone that didnt give crap about you, and undermined your authority. Would you let someone that hated the thought of you into your home to live with you forever. 
We are eternal beings, that either live with God or away from Him. God sees someone either as an angel or like a demon, in reality. We get the same rewards or punishments as them.
To see evidence for God but deny it because of self serving means is to completely reject God, that is what makes him angry. The devil will be screaming the most and the loudest in the lake of fire, forever. Human beings will have more mercy attributed to them, because of lake of fire wasnt made for humans.

The book of quob says we are made in FSMs image. So ask yourself the question, of why. Would you save someone that didn't give a crap about you, and undermined your authority. Would you let someone that hated the thought of you into your home to live with you forever? 

We are eternal beings, that either live with FSM or away from Xim. FSM sees someone either as Cool or a Jerk, in reality. We get the same rewards or punishments as them.
To see evidence for FSM but deny it because of self-serving means is to completely reject FSM, that is what makes Xim angry. The antipasti will be screaming the most and the loudest in the lake of hot sauce, forever.

Human beings will have more mercy attributed to them because the lake of fire wasn't made for humans.

Also, FSM has visited me in dreams and personally speaks through me.

RAmen.
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RE: What God's justification for eternal torment?
God loves you, and to prove it he is likely to send you off to the eternal torment hotel.

Seems legit.
  
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