(July 23, 2015 at 12:30 pm)KUSA Wrote:(July 23, 2015 at 12:27 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: Sun began to exist.
The sun was formed from matter that was already there. Everything that exists was formed out of something that was already there.
Whether that it is true or not, it would be affirming the conclusion to argue either way from the start. What I am stating is not assuming either of the assumptions to be true, it's working with the premise that all states of change began to exist. Sun is a state of change of things, it was not always there. There is no state of the universe that was always there, each state began to exist like the Sun. That leads to the conclusion the whole of it began to exist, which therefore to assume it's eternal is illogical.