RE: How to debunk the first cause argument without trying too hard
September 7, 2015 at 4:48 am
(September 7, 2015 at 4:44 am)Irrational Wrote:(September 7, 2015 at 4:41 am)Ronkonkoma Wrote: sure Boss, maybe we need to fine-tune the argument a little to say:
1. everything in time had to have a beginning because time itself had a beginning (this is proven)
2. if something had a beginning, it needs to have had a cause
3. if it had no beginning it needs to have no cause
4. the cause for the beginning of time is outside of time by definition and therefore needs to have no beginning or end and no cause.
thanks for listening.
No, it's not been proven that time itself had a beginning.
yes, Stephen Hawkin: "The Beginning of Time" - he himself proved it.
But even if that was the case, no entity, including God, could logically act in any way in the absence of time.