RE: How to debunk the first cause argument without trying too hard
September 20, 2015 at 6:17 pm
(September 20, 2015 at 1:55 pm)ChadWooters Wrote:(September 20, 2015 at 12:13 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote: If your complaint is that there aren't more system builders among atheists, say so.My complaint is specific to the 'What Caused God' objection. It is a knee-jerk response that carries with it a whole set of misunderstandings about ontological claims.
Well, that really is the main problem, most definitions of the ontology of God are just claims, lacking support.
(September 20, 2015 at 1:55 pm)ChadWooters Wrote:(September 20, 2015 at 12:13 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote: ...the world of philosophy has moved on from the system building era, because it only produced cracked edifices.So your solution is to give up because the task is hard?
More like giving up fruitless avenues of research to concentrate on those that yield results.
(September 20, 2015 at 1:55 pm)ChadWooters Wrote:(September 20, 2015 at 12:13 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote: Expecting others to share your concern over system building when it's not motivated by a concern for system building at all, but is a religiously motivated concern, is ridiculous.My motivation is to know and live by the truth. You may not believe that but that is how I think. At one time reason prompted me to adopt an atheist position. Further inquiry has lead me to believe in God. Maybe that too will change, but for now that reflects my best understanding.
Fair enough. I do likewise and pursue materialist explanations because they are more definitive. I feel that you have given up on material explanations prematurely. Coming up with materialist explanations is hard, but it isn't fruitless.
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