That's a good summary, Esquilax, and I think it has something to do with why atheists and Christians tend to "talk past one another" when discussing the idea of "objective" morality. We use the term "objective" in the way you just did, isolating variables and manipulating real elements of the thing we're trying to understand until we can narrow it down enough to be certain of causation/effect of that variable, and others are able to duplicate the same result, by the same method, every time.
On the other hand, when Christians use the term "objective", they tend to mean "a standard given by such a high authority that everyone I know in my social circles agrees it's the only worthwhile one". As in, "if you disagree with this particular set of morals, it's not the fault of the morals but of your failure to agree with what everyone I know says is The Right One™, directly from Gawd".
Everything else, then, is "subjective" morality, made up by people in varying cultures at varying times to suit the climate of that culture, according to the latter view.
It's a little bit like the way each member of each sect and faith tradition will look you dead in the face and tell you that it's "obvious" to them that every other belief system is manmade nonsense, full of fairytales and magical thinking, but not theirs. It's from GOD!
On the other hand, when Christians use the term "objective", they tend to mean "a standard given by such a high authority that everyone I know in my social circles agrees it's the only worthwhile one". As in, "if you disagree with this particular set of morals, it's not the fault of the morals but of your failure to agree with what everyone I know says is The Right One™, directly from Gawd".
Everything else, then, is "subjective" morality, made up by people in varying cultures at varying times to suit the climate of that culture, according to the latter view.
It's a little bit like the way each member of each sect and faith tradition will look you dead in the face and tell you that it's "obvious" to them that every other belief system is manmade nonsense, full of fairytales and magical thinking, but not theirs. It's from GOD!
A Christian told me: if you were saved you cant lose your salvation. you're sealed with the Holy Ghost
I replied: Can I refuse? Because I find the entire concept of vicarious blood sacrifice atonement to be morally abhorrent, the concept of holding flawed creatures permanently accountable for social misbehaviors and thought crimes to be morally abhorrent, and the concept of calling something "free" when it comes with the strings of subjugation and obedience perhaps the most morally abhorrent of all... and that's without even going into the history of justifying genocide, slavery, rape, misogyny, religious intolerance, and suppression of free speech which has been attributed by your own scriptures to your deity. I want a refund. I would burn happily rather than serve the monster you profess to love.
I replied: Can I refuse? Because I find the entire concept of vicarious blood sacrifice atonement to be morally abhorrent, the concept of holding flawed creatures permanently accountable for social misbehaviors and thought crimes to be morally abhorrent, and the concept of calling something "free" when it comes with the strings of subjugation and obedience perhaps the most morally abhorrent of all... and that's without even going into the history of justifying genocide, slavery, rape, misogyny, religious intolerance, and suppression of free speech which has been attributed by your own scriptures to your deity. I want a refund. I would burn happily rather than serve the monster you profess to love.
