(October 8, 2015 at 10:12 pm)sinnerdaniel94 Wrote: seems like there is an ideal law that we are striving towards, or am I mistaken?
I don't know what that means. I really don't. When you start speaking in terms of "perfect" or "ideal", you have ventured outside the real world. I think most anyone would agree that the "ideal" is to maximize happiness and freedom with only the necessary limits to ensure the continuation of a healthy society and prevent infringement of one person's liberty upon another's... but the details of how exactly that would work are far from obvious.
I do know that revealed religions are unlikely to provide a solution, based on the nature of how they operate. Everyone would agree that someone else's religion's theocratic rule would be bad... why they can't see that the same is true for their own, with respect to everyone but their particular sect's members, honestly baffles me.
We cannot know what the "right" answer is; maybe there isn't one. But we can imagine, and try to do better for everyone.
A trifle simplistic, but I've always liked John Lennon's take:
A Christian told me: if you were saved you cant lose your salvation. you're sealed with the Holy Ghost
I replied: Can I refuse? Because I find the entire concept of vicarious blood sacrifice atonement to be morally abhorrent, the concept of holding flawed creatures permanently accountable for social misbehaviors and thought crimes to be morally abhorrent, and the concept of calling something "free" when it comes with the strings of subjugation and obedience perhaps the most morally abhorrent of all... and that's without even going into the history of justifying genocide, slavery, rape, misogyny, religious intolerance, and suppression of free speech which has been attributed by your own scriptures to your deity. I want a refund. I would burn happily rather than serve the monster you profess to love.
I replied: Can I refuse? Because I find the entire concept of vicarious blood sacrifice atonement to be morally abhorrent, the concept of holding flawed creatures permanently accountable for social misbehaviors and thought crimes to be morally abhorrent, and the concept of calling something "free" when it comes with the strings of subjugation and obedience perhaps the most morally abhorrent of all... and that's without even going into the history of justifying genocide, slavery, rape, misogyny, religious intolerance, and suppression of free speech which has been attributed by your own scriptures to your deity. I want a refund. I would burn happily rather than serve the monster you profess to love.
