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Atheists come up with ideal god
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RE: Atheists come up with ideal god
(October 8, 2015 at 11:09 pm)TheRocketSurgeon Wrote:
(October 8, 2015 at 10:12 pm)sinnerdaniel94 Wrote: seems like there is an ideal law that we are striving towards, or am I mistaken?

I don't know what that means. I really don't. When you start speaking in terms of "perfect" or "ideal", you have ventured outside the real world. I think most anyone would agree that the "ideal" is to maximize happiness and freedom with only the necessary limits to ensure the continuation of a healthy society and prevent infringement of one person's liberty upon another's... but the details of how exactly that would work are far from obvious.

I do know that revealed religions are unlikely to provide a solution, based on the nature of how they operate. Everyone would agree that someone else's religion's theocratic rule would be bad... why they can't see that the same is true for their own, with respect to everyone but their particular sect's members, honestly baffles me.

We cannot know what the "right" answer is; maybe there isn't one. But we can imagine, and try to do better for everyone.

A trifle simplistic, but I've always liked John Lennon's take:



if its impossible to know the right answer, then why try? why is it a duty to make sure everyone is happy and safe? why do you strive to be free and happy? where did that concept come from? and if its just a result of human invention and imagination, then there is no reason to tell anyone to do anything, rather it's just a suggestion; no one can say you're truly wrong in anything. It's just your opinion. Someone can suggest to a murderer to not kill, but I don't see why he should take you seriously.
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Atheists come up with ideal god - by sinnerdaniel94 - October 8, 2015 at 8:28 pm
RE: Atheists come up with ideal god - by Jenny A - October 8, 2015 at 8:32 pm
RE: Atheists come up with ideal god - by Pyrrho - October 8, 2015 at 9:53 pm
RE: Atheists come up with ideal god - by Jenny A - October 8, 2015 at 9:58 pm
RE: Atheists come up with ideal god - by The Valkyrie - October 8, 2015 at 8:32 pm
RE: Atheists come up with ideal god - by sinnerdaniel94 - October 8, 2015 at 8:56 pm
RE: Atheists come up with ideal god - by Mudhammam - October 10, 2015 at 8:36 am
RE: Atheists come up with ideal god - by The Valkyrie - October 8, 2015 at 8:59 pm
RE: Atheists come up with ideal god - by sinnerdaniel94 - October 8, 2015 at 9:02 pm
RE: Atheists come up with ideal god - by TheRocketSurgeon - October 8, 2015 at 9:08 pm
RE: Atheists come up with ideal god - by The Valkyrie - October 8, 2015 at 9:25 pm
RE: Atheists come up with ideal god - by TheRocketSurgeon - October 8, 2015 at 9:01 pm
RE: Atheists come up with ideal god - by sinnerdaniel94 - October 8, 2015 at 9:22 pm
RE: Atheists come up with ideal god - by TheRocketSurgeon - October 8, 2015 at 9:32 pm
RE: Atheists come up with ideal god - by sinnerdaniel94 - October 8, 2015 at 9:40 pm
RE: Atheists come up with ideal god - by TheRocketSurgeon - October 8, 2015 at 9:53 pm
RE: Atheists come up with ideal god - by sinnerdaniel94 - October 8, 2015 at 10:12 pm
RE: Atheists come up with ideal god - by TheRocketSurgeon - October 8, 2015 at 11:09 pm
RE: Atheists come up with ideal god - by sinnerdaniel94 - October 8, 2015 at 11:27 pm
RE: Atheists come up with ideal god - by TheRocketSurgeon - October 8, 2015 at 11:50 pm
RE: Atheists come up with ideal god - by sinnerdaniel94 - October 9, 2015 at 12:00 am
RE: Atheists come up with ideal god - by TheRocketSurgeon - October 9, 2015 at 12:17 am
RE: Atheists come up with ideal god - by Homeless Nutter - October 8, 2015 at 11:21 pm
RE: Atheists come up with ideal god - by Ravenshire - October 8, 2015 at 11:46 pm
RE: Atheists come up with ideal god - by sinnerdaniel94 - October 8, 2015 at 11:48 pm
RE: Atheists come up with ideal god - by Ravenshire - October 8, 2015 at 11:54 pm
RE: Atheists come up with ideal god - by Crossless1 - October 9, 2015 at 10:10 am
RE: Atheists come up with ideal god - by Ravenshire - October 8, 2015 at 11:37 pm
RE: Atheists come up with ideal god - by Jenny A - October 8, 2015 at 11:42 pm
RE: Atheists come up with ideal god - by sinnerdaniel94 - October 8, 2015 at 11:45 pm
RE: Atheists come up with ideal god - by Lemonvariable72 - October 11, 2015 at 12:05 pm
RE: Atheists come up with ideal god - by TheRocketSurgeon - October 11, 2015 at 2:06 pm
RE: Atheists come up with ideal god - by Lemonvariable72 - October 11, 2015 at 4:21 pm
RE: Atheists come up with ideal god - by TheRocketSurgeon - October 11, 2015 at 5:37 pm
RE: Atheists come up with ideal god - by MentalGiant - October 8, 2015 at 9:15 pm
RE: Atheists come up with ideal god - by Homeless Nutter - October 8, 2015 at 9:19 pm
RE: Atheists come up with ideal god - by Ayen - October 8, 2015 at 9:25 pm
RE: Atheists come up with ideal god - by TheRocketSurgeon - October 8, 2015 at 9:35 pm
RE: Atheists come up with ideal god - by drfuzzy - October 8, 2015 at 9:26 pm
RE: Atheists come up with ideal god - by Shining_Finger - October 8, 2015 at 9:38 pm
RE: Atheists come up with ideal god - by TheRocketSurgeon - October 8, 2015 at 9:38 pm
RE: Atheists come up with ideal god - by Pyrrho - October 8, 2015 at 10:09 pm
RE: Atheists come up with ideal god - by ignoramus - October 8, 2015 at 11:51 pm
RE: Atheists come up with ideal god - by Tartarus Sauce - October 8, 2015 at 11:53 pm
RE: Atheists come up with ideal god - by TheRealJoeFish - October 8, 2015 at 11:55 pm
RE: Atheists come up with ideal god - by Ravenshire - October 8, 2015 at 11:58 pm
RE: Atheists come up with ideal god - by TheRocketSurgeon - October 9, 2015 at 12:14 am
RE: Atheists come up with ideal god - by TheRealJoeFish - October 9, 2015 at 12:35 am
RE: Atheists come up with ideal god - by ignoramus - October 9, 2015 at 4:17 am
RE: Atheists come up with ideal god - by Alex K - October 8, 2015 at 11:59 pm
RE: Atheists come up with ideal god - by Reforged - October 9, 2015 at 12:41 am
RE: Atheists come up with ideal god - by Nay_Sayer - October 9, 2015 at 12:42 am
RE: Atheists come up with ideal god - by TheRocketSurgeon - October 9, 2015 at 12:44 am
RE: Atheists come up with ideal god - by Cyberman - October 9, 2015 at 12:53 am
RE: Atheists come up with ideal god - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - October 9, 2015 at 4:09 am
RE: Atheists come up with ideal god - by sinnerdaniel94 - October 9, 2015 at 10:07 am
RE: Atheists come up with ideal god - by Homeless Nutter - October 9, 2015 at 10:10 am
RE: Atheists come up with ideal god - by Iroscato - October 9, 2015 at 10:16 am
RE: Atheists come up with ideal god - by TheRocketSurgeon - October 9, 2015 at 10:25 am
RE: Atheists come up with ideal god - by Crossless1 - October 9, 2015 at 10:35 am
RE: Atheists come up with ideal god - by sinnerdaniel94 - October 9, 2015 at 10:45 am
RE: Atheists come up with ideal god - by Crossless1 - October 9, 2015 at 10:52 am
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RE: Atheists come up with ideal god - by sinnerdaniel94 - October 9, 2015 at 10:36 am
RE: Atheists come up with ideal god - by Ravenshire - October 9, 2015 at 4:16 pm
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RE: Atheists come up with ideal god - by ignoramus - October 9, 2015 at 4:55 am
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RE: Atheists come up with ideal god - by robvalue - October 9, 2015 at 6:19 am
RE: Atheists come up with ideal god - by Cyberman - October 9, 2015 at 10:10 am
RE: Atheists come up with ideal god - by Crossless1 - October 9, 2015 at 10:14 am
RE: Atheists come up with ideal god - by robvalue - October 9, 2015 at 10:12 am
RE: Atheists come up with ideal god - by Brian37 - October 9, 2015 at 10:17 am
RE: Atheists come up with ideal god - by downbeatplumb - October 9, 2015 at 10:35 am
RE: Atheists come up with ideal god - by sinnerdaniel94 - October 9, 2015 at 10:40 am
RE: Atheists come up with ideal god - by Crossless1 - October 9, 2015 at 10:42 am
RE: Atheists come up with ideal god - by downbeatplumb - October 9, 2015 at 10:56 am
RE: Atheists come up with ideal god - by sinnerdaniel94 - October 9, 2015 at 11:03 am
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RE: Atheists come up with ideal god - by Ravenshire - October 9, 2015 at 4:16 pm
RE: Atheists come up with ideal god - by drfuzzy - October 9, 2015 at 4:32 pm
RE: Atheists come up with ideal god - by Jenny A - October 9, 2015 at 4:41 pm
RE: Atheists come up with ideal god - by Ravenshire - October 9, 2015 at 11:59 pm
RE: Atheists come up with ideal god - by Simon Moon - October 9, 2015 at 4:59 pm
RE: Atheists come up with ideal god - by sinnerdaniel94 - October 9, 2015 at 9:47 pm
RE: Atheists come up with ideal god - by Cyberman - October 9, 2015 at 11:31 pm
RE: Atheists come up with ideal god - by Ravenshire - October 9, 2015 at 11:34 pm
RE: Atheists come up with ideal god - by Cyberman - October 9, 2015 at 10:40 am
RE: Atheists come up with ideal god - by robvalue - October 9, 2015 at 10:44 am
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RE: Atheists come up with ideal god - by Cyberman - October 9, 2015 at 12:56 pm
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RE: Atheists come up with ideal god - by sinnerdaniel94 - October 9, 2015 at 9:56 pm
RE: Atheists come up with ideal god - by Ravenshire - October 9, 2015 at 11:36 pm
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RE: Atheists come up with ideal god - by ignoramus - October 9, 2015 at 7:26 pm
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