(October 9, 2015 at 9:56 pm)sinnerdaniel94 Wrote:(October 9, 2015 at 7:07 pm)robvalue Wrote: The only argument I'm seeing for why we should become Christian is because of what God will do to us to punish us if we don't. In other words, it's a mugging.
Is that the best you got?
The problem is, you're pointing a non-existent gun at our head. The fact that you think it's real says an awful lot more about you than us. Take ownership at least; you are threatening us. And not just with harm, not just with death, but with everlasting torture. I can't take such nonsense seriously so I don't give a shit, but this is really about the most heinous way you could possibly talk to another human being.
that's strange how you are threatened or offended. If a person believed in the spaghetti monster and said I would burn for eternity, I wouldn't even frown for a millisecond. yet its the same situation with you. You think my God is fake, yet you're thoroughly offended and threatened. A real atheist wouldn't care at all. Like I don't care about your thoughts. Its meaningless to me. why are you so angry? it makes me question your beliefs.
Okay, this is hilarious. Add another one to the "just doesn't get it" files.
When we talk about the "threats" you're making in the name of your deity, we're talking in hypotheticals, as in: "If I assume for a moment that your story about Shiva the Destructor is real (a Hindu god that is supposed to destroy the world at the end of time), then what you are telling me is obviously, in your mind, a threat that you are making to me right now."
You think your threats are real; we do not.
It's offensive that you think it's okay to make such threats, which in any other context (like threatening me vicariously through your brother) would be completely unacceptable, even if you didn't really have a brother but were just making it up as a proxy.
We don't "frown for a second" when you make these threats, we find you hilarious.
The "why are you so angry" is the same crap that's slung at us by every moron who comes here convinced he's really, genuinely telling us what Allah will do to us for being infidels.
The only person in this entire conversation who thinks we're actually under threat is you. Your entire premise is mental masturbation. We find you annoying, not frightening. It is a little bit offensive that you are allowed by society to go around making threats to people about your "loving God" who has just gotta burn people in the eternal fires it created for anyone who won't follow a particular religion out of thousands, prior to having real evidence, since it's obvious to us you don't have a god, you have a psycho for an imaginary friend... but we're forced to listen to you prattle on about your imaginary friend, and to tell us over and over and over and over about what your imaginary friend is going to do to us.
A Christian told me: if you were saved you cant lose your salvation. you're sealed with the Holy Ghost
I replied: Can I refuse? Because I find the entire concept of vicarious blood sacrifice atonement to be morally abhorrent, the concept of holding flawed creatures permanently accountable for social misbehaviors and thought crimes to be morally abhorrent, and the concept of calling something "free" when it comes with the strings of subjugation and obedience perhaps the most morally abhorrent of all... and that's without even going into the history of justifying genocide, slavery, rape, misogyny, religious intolerance, and suppression of free speech which has been attributed by your own scriptures to your deity. I want a refund. I would burn happily rather than serve the monster you profess to love.
I replied: Can I refuse? Because I find the entire concept of vicarious blood sacrifice atonement to be morally abhorrent, the concept of holding flawed creatures permanently accountable for social misbehaviors and thought crimes to be morally abhorrent, and the concept of calling something "free" when it comes with the strings of subjugation and obedience perhaps the most morally abhorrent of all... and that's without even going into the history of justifying genocide, slavery, rape, misogyny, religious intolerance, and suppression of free speech which has been attributed by your own scriptures to your deity. I want a refund. I would burn happily rather than serve the monster you profess to love.
