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Review so far of the Romans study
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RE: Review so far of the Romans study
In regards to salvation, if we have no free will, the criteria is entirely pointless. God has already chosen everything we will do, and this decides whether or not we will meet whatever criteria he makes up. God is just finding ways to justify to himself torturing sentient beings for carrying out actions he programmed them with.

The best interpretation here is that God is actually not aware that we are sentient. That's the only thing that could excuse such behaviour.

If God hasn't programmed us, but we don't have free will, that just leaves us with some form of behaviour based on random influences that even God can't predict. Even then, we're not to blame for our actions because we have no say in them.

Drich has clearly stated he doesn't believe God gave us free will, but he may try to deny the logical conclusions as stated above.
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Review so far of the Romans study - by Drich - November 9, 2015 at 3:11 pm
RE: Review so far of the Romans study - by LastPoet - November 9, 2015 at 3:13 pm
RE: Review so far of the Romans study - by abaris - November 9, 2015 at 3:16 pm
RE: Review so far of the Romans study - by Cyberman - November 9, 2015 at 3:21 pm
RE: Review so far of the Romans study - by Minimalist - November 9, 2015 at 3:40 pm
RE: Review so far of the Romans study - by TheRocketSurgeon - November 9, 2015 at 4:02 pm
RE: Review so far of the Romans study - by jenny1972 - November 9, 2015 at 4:08 pm
RE: Review so far of the Romans study - by Simon Moon - November 9, 2015 at 4:13 pm
RE: Review so far of the Romans study - by jenny1972 - November 9, 2015 at 4:26 pm
RE: Review so far of the Romans study - by Wyrd of Gawd - November 10, 2015 at 7:32 pm
RE: Review so far of the Romans study - by jenny1972 - November 10, 2015 at 7:50 pm
RE: Review so far of the Romans study - by Drich - November 11, 2015 at 10:54 am
RE: Review so far of the Romans study - by jenny1972 - November 11, 2015 at 12:56 pm
RE: Review so far of the Romans study - by Cyberman - November 11, 2015 at 2:26 pm
RE: Review so far of the Romans study - by Drich - November 11, 2015 at 3:49 pm
RE: Review so far of the Romans study - by jenny1972 - November 11, 2015 at 4:15 pm
RE: Review so far of the Romans study - by Drich - November 11, 2015 at 4:57 pm
RE: Review so far of the Romans study - by jenny1972 - November 11, 2015 at 6:15 pm
RE: Review so far of the Romans study - by Drich - November 13, 2015 at 12:50 pm
RE: Review so far of the Romans study - by Minimalist - November 13, 2015 at 3:19 pm
RE: Review so far of the Romans study - by Drich - November 11, 2015 at 9:59 am
RE: Review so far of the Romans study - by jenny1972 - November 11, 2015 at 12:49 pm
RE: Review so far of the Romans study - by Drich - November 11, 2015 at 3:14 pm
RE: Review so far of the Romans study - by jenny1972 - November 11, 2015 at 4:11 pm
RE: Review so far of the Romans study - by Drich - November 11, 2015 at 4:54 pm
RE: Review so far of the Romans study - by jenny1972 - November 11, 2015 at 6:03 pm
RE: Review so far of the Romans study - by Drich - November 13, 2015 at 12:47 pm
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RE: Review so far of the Romans study - by Minimalist - November 9, 2015 at 8:47 pm
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RE: Review so far of the Romans study - by Cyberman - November 9, 2015 at 10:45 pm
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RE: Review so far of the Romans study - by Drich - November 11, 2015 at 10:32 am
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