(December 13, 2015 at 2:27 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote:(December 13, 2015 at 2:07 pm)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: Perhaps you should answer his point? Part of Original Sin -- our "fallen state" -- is death. As your own catechism states, Original Sin is not an act but rather a condition. It is clear that if your god wanted to do so, he could heal humankind of this fallen state (as you believe he did with Mary). The fact is that you believe your god himself invented death -- when he had the power to instead impart immortality. To then turn around and protest someone's hypothetical wish for the death of others even as you worship the Author of Death is the weakness his point is aimed at.
I believe that to God, no one is "innocent" only in the sense that no one is perfect. Even the best of us have all done things that are wrong at some point in our lives. That is what that means. But it does not apply in the context of the discussion we are having, or in the context that I used the word "innocent" when I was talking about people who own guns and who are not criminals nor have harmed anyone with them. So when someone talks about wanting every gun owner to get killed by getting shot, I use the word "innocent" to describe them in the sense that they are not criminals deserving of a death sentence merely because they have a gun.
As for the story of Eve eating the apple, I've talked many times about how neither me nor the majority of Catholics see this story as a literal one. It's more a symbolism of human sin, free will, and the fact that none of us is perfect and will inevitably do things wrong sometimes.
You're not answering the point that no matter whether you conceive of Eve's story literally or symbolically, the upshot is that you worship a god who invented death, a god who kills paoled for the flawed human nature that he himself created.
