God and Morality: Separate Issues

[Godscreated]

A quick refutation of the argument that seems to be debated on YouTube right now with the return of VFX. Christians are once again recycling the moral imperative of believing in God in order to have a sound basis for moral judgment. Putting aside that this is an appeal to consequences, this argument is a non-sequitur since the two issues are unrelated.

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Option 1: God is able to determine what is moral
If theists are saying that God is wise enough to weigh out all the facts and see the given issue from all sides and make the correct determination as to what is right or wrong, than morality exists outside of God. Things that are wrong would still be wrong even if God ceased to exist.

Option 2: God decides what is moral
If theists are saying that God is the celestial law-giver essential for morality to exist, that things are right or wrong because God says so, than this is not universal objective morality. At best, this is deferring one's subjective moral judgment to the subjective moral judgment of a higher being. At worst, this is a celestial dictatorship based on the principle that might-makes-right. Either way, there's nothing "objective" about this morality since it comes from the decree of the arbitrary judgments of one being.

Option 3: God is morality
This touchy-feeley explanation is often used by apologists when they're presented with the first two options. This argument can be dismissed as a tautology. The apologist is presenting a definition of morality and then using that definition to prove that the definition is true. This is classic circular reasoning. "We know that God is good because God is good".

All three fail. The issue of whether or not God exists is irrelevant to questions of right and wrong.

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I beg to differ, the God of the Bible and morality go hand in hand they are one, you can not seperate them. I'll try and give a good example of this. I was born in 1954 when God was central to this nation. The christian church was strong, the south was truly the Bible Belt and in God We Trust meant something special to most people. Prayer and the Pledge of Alligiance were part of a school childs everyday life and no one was complaining. President Kennedy, his brother Senator Robert Kennedy and MLK Jr. were all assasinated and no real gun control laws were trying to be passed.

Then comes the slow change, prayer was taken out of schools, then the Ten Commandments were removed from schools and then for all intents and purposes the Bible was removed from schools. Then someone decided that God had no place in our goverment and the Ten Commandments were being removed from most goverment buildings. The purge was on to rid this nation of God, all in the name of human rights. Since this has come to pass we have children killing each other with guns in schools and in the streets. When I was in school if there was a disagreement we just beat the crap out of each other, got up shook hands and went about our lives, we had respect for each other even in disagreements. People are killing each other in this country over nothing and the killings are so senseless just like the most recent in Arizona. Drugs have become a extremely dangerous deal in this country, many lives are lost to drugs whether it is from abuse or murder. When I was in school we never locked our doors at night or when we would go out to the store or movies and ect. If we did not lock the doors while on vacation we did not worry we knew the neighbors were watching the place, why, because we cared about our neighbors, it was a Bible lesson, you know the love thy neighbor thing. I now have my doors locked every night as everyone else does and I have rottweilers in my home. I also have guns in my home and they stay unloaded unless they are going to be used, this was taught to me as a youngster and is a valuable lesson. People today keep guns loaded in the home because they do not feel safe any more and innocent kids are dying all the time, why, because parents do not teach gun safety with their children. Many will disagree with me on this issue but I believed in the sanctity of life before I became a christian it seemed to me to be the moral stance. In my home town over 4000 children lose their lives each year because of abortion so I'm sure that translates into millions across this country and I'm also sure that this number was far, far less when I was in school. So you see no God no morals at least as far as I'm concerned. This nation has pushed God aside and the morals went with Him, God and morality can not be seperated.