Question to Theists About the Source of Morality

[robvalue]

Too true, it's a point I've been stuck on before.

Even if it made any sort of sense that there really is some "objective morality", then it's of no use because every theist reports it to be something different. So every theist is using their own subjective distortion of this objective morality, and for us atheists, we have billions of people all saying, "No, mine is the real objective morality!". Even a cursory glance over the religious text shows that "moderate" theists do not follow the bulk of what it actually says. Thankfully!

So it's of no practical use, even if it's somehow real. To just look for trends and figure it out for ourselves is again subjective and what we do anyway.

The idea that God wants there to be objective morality, but then programmed us all to have our own different ideas of morality, makes him out to be either incompetent or someone that enjoys the arguments this causes.

This is the problem with making up excuses for why supernatural explanations don't actually account for what we see in reality. It requires assuming weird things about God and making excuses for him, which ends up making him look evil and/or an idiot.

I do understand the desire for there to be a "right answer" about everything, and that the idea that we have to figure out for ourselves what we think is best can be uncomfortable. But our desire for there to be a right answer doesn't mean there is one. Ultimately, God is often like a parent that is looked to in order to be the final arbiter to solve squabbles. But (in my opinion) God is just a reflection of ourselves (hence each theist describes him differently) and we are the arbiters. We have to work together, instead of claiming to have ultimate authority that we are right. If we have good reasons for our morality, then "because a book says so" is irrelevant.

Respect to Deidre for admitting that it's ultimately subjective!