(February 12, 2016 at 4:33 am)robvalue Wrote: Let's see here.Slavery boils down to not being paid $$$ in direct proportion to what you do.
If society can't function without the use of slavery, as is the claim here, whose fault is that? Who made the rules?
So, Who made those rules? The people who introduced money as a means to promote and facilitate commerce.
Because if everyone got paid the same, money would not have value. money has value because everyone does not have it in quantity. If everyone had it in quantity it would become trash.
Example what is more valuable Gold or Aluminum? Why? Because Gold is material harder to obtain. Aluminum to most of us is trash, why? because everything is made from it and it is everywhere, even though it has some value. Now because Gold is more valuable means one need work harder to obtain it. Now who sets the required amount of work needed to obtain a measure of gold? In short the people who have most of it, not the people working.
Now lets say I have all the gold and you want/need some. I tell you it takes a week working in my fields to earn an ounce. you tell me over in Wyoming they are paying two ounces per week, so I point out we are not in Wyoming, but tell you I will give you room and board while you work, but I need you to agree on production levels and hours worked along with so many months worked, for all of this to make sense to me/to give you 1 oz per week of gold and provide meals/housing for you during that time..
That my friend falls with in the biblical account of slavery. That is how modern slavery works as well, but the terms (because they are unregulated are far worse for the workers.) I gave an example of Nike factory workers making a $1.30 a day 16 hours aday/or quota had to be filled. All because 'good' people want to pretend slavery does not exist. Once word got out, their salary was almost doubled, which with everything else provided made for a living wage/better life for those workers.
Quote:I'm pretty sure that if I made any sort of environment for beings to live in, given the power to literally decide what would and wouldn't be possible, I'd make it so slavery wasn't just unecessary but actually physically impossible.why? If you did that they we could never come together as a society. that every family had to provide all of their own food, goods and services. Money allows people to specialize in certain tasks that otherwise could not be done, because we all would have to grow our own food or hunt/kill it.
You know who didn't have money? cave men, dogs, monkeys. that is what you are dooming your society to be.
a social group of animals.
Quote:Religion, far from being the source of morality, corrupts it. It stops it being able to evolve and improve towards the goal of human wellbeing by dogmatically sticking to outdated principles and beliefs.Again you are using the term 'morality' as the gold standard of right and wrong. In this conversation you can not do that. Why? because I have shown you all dozens of examples where your 'morality' has adopted evil.
So for you to say "according to my morality God/religion is immoral" is like a member of ISIS calling you immoral... If Their standard of 'morality' is so low, how can they judge?