RE: Can't prove the supernatural God
May 22, 2016 at 2:25 am
(This post was last modified: May 22, 2016 at 2:32 am by robvalue.)
I don't know what a theist thinks natural means. What definition of natural includes things generated out of nothing by magic?
"Could not have come from natural causes" = "Argument from ignorance"
I think it's not reasonably possible to conclude that you have eliminated all natural causes, because that assumes we know about every natural cause. And how do you eliminate there being no efficient cause? [Efficient cause is the agency involved, as opposed to the material cause which is what it was fashioned from. Of course theists often conflate the two.]
Event e with unknown efficient cause c. It could be the case that c=no cause.
Known natural causes is the set N.
c is not a member of N.
Conclusion: c is a supernatural cause. This is doubly flawed, because we haven't eliminated the possibility of c being no efficient cause.
Science learns more stuff, and extends N to N+.
Now c is a member of N+.
Conclusion was wrong.
And what makes this "supernatural" cause any different? What separates the natural causes from supernatural?
"Could not have come from natural causes" = "Argument from ignorance"
I think it's not reasonably possible to conclude that you have eliminated all natural causes, because that assumes we know about every natural cause. And how do you eliminate there being no efficient cause? [Efficient cause is the agency involved, as opposed to the material cause which is what it was fashioned from. Of course theists often conflate the two.]
Event e with unknown efficient cause c. It could be the case that c=no cause.
Known natural causes is the set N.
c is not a member of N.
Conclusion: c is a supernatural cause. This is doubly flawed, because we haven't eliminated the possibility of c being no efficient cause.
Science learns more stuff, and extends N to N+.
Now c is a member of N+.
Conclusion was wrong.
And what makes this "supernatural" cause any different? What separates the natural causes from supernatural?
Feel free to send me a private message.
Please visit my website here! It's got lots of information about atheism/theism and support for new atheists.
Index of useful threads and discussions
Index of my best videos
Quickstart guide to the forum
Please visit my website here! It's got lots of information about atheism/theism and support for new atheists.
Index of useful threads and discussions
Index of my best videos
Quickstart guide to the forum