RE: Why there is something rather than nothing...
August 24, 2016 at 2:03 pm
(This post was last modified: August 24, 2016 at 2:12 pm by Arkilogue.)
(August 24, 2016 at 10:33 am)Little lunch Wrote: Not saying I believe in any of those three things, just that we will never know. :-)
Scientists believe they are finding evidence for "other universes" in the CMB
If you are in a round bucket full of water, only the bucket is so big you cannot see the round edges...would the internal wave action tell you anything about the border?
(August 24, 2016 at 10:36 am)FatAndFaithless Wrote:(August 24, 2016 at 10:32 am)Little lunch Wrote: Only if you believe that there was nothing before this universe or outside of it beyond our sight or replacing it some time after it is extinguished.
Er..no. That's why there is the term 'cosmos' instead of universe. Cosmos includes universes that might have predated our own, or universes that are outside of our own (multiverse), or universes that might come after our own.
That's why Sagan says that the cosmos is everything that has been, is, and will be. It's the all-inclusive term for 'everything,' while 'universe' is just for our current universe. That's just the definition of cosmos.
"Cosmos" seems much smaller to me than a universe. For instance if the universe does contain the same amount of anti-matter as matter only it's separated from our particular bend of space time, from our our matter "cosmos" vs the "anti-matter cosmos"
But I'll go with however you all use it.
Cosmos
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The cosmos (UK /ˈkɒzmɒs/, US /ˈkɒzmoʊs/) is the universe regarded as a complex and orderly system; the opposite of chaos.[1] The philosopher Pythagoras used the term cosmos (Ancient Greek: κόσμος) for the order of the universe, but the term was not part of modern language until the 19th century geographer and polymath, Alexander von Humboldt, resurrected the use of the word from the ancient Greek, assigned it to his multi-volume treatise, Kosmos, and, along the way, influenced our present and somewhat holistic perception of the universe as one interacting entity.[2][3]
(August 24, 2016 at 10:36 am)Whateverist Wrote:(August 24, 2016 at 1:56 am)robvalue Wrote: Maybe there is something and there is nothing.
Is the something imbedded in the nothing or is the nothing just the gaps between the somethings?
The nothings (universes) are cavitations in the Something. Like bubbles in an ocean with no top bottom or sides. There is only one Something.
(August 24, 2016 at 11:01 am)Little lunch Wrote: The cosmos is the universe as a well ordered system, not chaotic.
It is only this universe that we observe.
I'm not even sure if it would include different parts of a multi-verse, which we will also never, ever know of for sure.
Multi-verse or metaverse is more descriptive than nebulous "cosmos"

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