(January 29, 2017 at 12:20 pm)Tiberius Wrote:What a bunch of snowflakes. No alien has any right to insist on being admitted to any country on Earth. Just because he might have been in the country he does not have an automatic right to reenter once he leaves. In the case of America the President has absolute power to decide who can enter the country and he can bar any individual or any group if he wants to and there's not a damn thing anyone can legally do about it.(January 29, 2017 at 2:35 am)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote: For those who don't know the past six Presidents have used EOs to bar certain classes of immigrants from the US. The Repubs used to love to whine when Obama did it and now the Dems are whining because Trump has done it. It's a constant stream of whining that does seem to be going away anytime soon.
http://dailycaller.com/2016/06/16/the-pa...mmigrants/
Presidents Obama, Bush 43, and Clinton did it 6 times each. Reagan did it 5 times. George H.W. Bush & Carter did it once each. Carter barred all Iranians.
Schumer's judge is going to get slapped upside her dummy head by the SCOTUS. It's going to be fun to watch.
AFAIK none of those actions blocked people who had previously been approved for residency, or were already residing in the US. The reason people are complaining is because people who are lawfully allowed to be in the USA were being detained and prevented from entering the country. These people were already vetted, they have their visas, they have permanent residency, most of them don't have another place to go.
(January 29, 2017 at 8:03 am)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote: OK, after some in-depth research I think I've found the answer.
The news accounts are 99% BS and fake news intended to create mass hysteria.
Trump did sign the EO, "Protecting the Nation from Foreign Terrorist Entry into the United States" on January 27, 2017.
Obama and Congress had previously identified the seven countries of concern on December 18, 2015, when he signed into law the Consolidated Appropriations Act 2016, which included the Visa Waiver Program (VWP) Improvement and Terrorist Travel Prevention Act of 2015. Those seven countries are Iraq, Syria, Iran, Sudan, Libya, Somalia, and Yemen. That's why none of the countries Trump did business in is on the list. Obama didn't regard them as a concern.
Now in Trump's EO the only country mentioned by name is Syria. He referred to the list that Obama had previously identified.
Under the Act if a citizen from a VWP program country, say England or South Korea, had been in one of those countries on concern that person had to get a visa before visiting the US. The people in the countries of concern always had to have a visa.
Trump's EO now bars those people from the seven countries that Obama had identified until they are more thoroughly "vetted". When they are they might get a visa. However, if it's determined that they have bad behavior (such as doing a honor killing or car bombing) they won't get a visa.
Trump's EO also suspends the plan to import 50,000 Syrian refugees at this time because it's not in our national interest.
So, if anyone is open-minded about the issue he/she should read the EO and this link from Homeland Security that has FAQs about the Visa Waiver Program Improvement and Terrorist Travel Prevention Act.
https://www.cbp.gov/travel/international...on-act-faq
Pretty sure the fact that otherwise legal residents of the USA were getting detained at airports and denied entry was the reason that there was any kind of hysteria.
If Trump had wanted to play hardball over the recent incident he would have directed the agents to put the people on the next flight to where they had just came from and no one would have any legal basis to say otherwise.
The Judge just personally vouched for the integrity of all of the people who benefitted from her decision. If anyone of them commits a crime she is personally responsible and should be thrown into Gitmo to rot.
Now in the case of the guy who sued and was released the government was probably OK with that because of his known record of involvement with the US. That satisfies the conditions of the EO. I don't know anything about the other people except if the government didn't vet them in accordance with the terms of the EO then they were admitted illegally.
You will notice that the EO is still in force until such time Trump rescinds it. Therefore its terms apply to everyone who visits the US. There will be no further court involvement in this because the courts don't have jurisdiction.